GTA San Andreas/Pron [Archive]

gurlgonewild

07-11-2005, 07:58 PM

entire article:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Grand-Theft-Auto-And-The-Witch-Hunt-On-Porn-Scenes-4607.shtml

Grand Theft Auto And The Witch Hunt On Porn Scenes

http://news.softpedia.com/images//news2/Grand-Theft-Auto-si-vanatoarea-de-scene-porno-2.jpg
The scandal Rockstar is being dragged into and which could also affect ESRB just doesn't seem fair as long as Patrick Wildenborg, the one who developed the mod by means of which the pornographic scenes (which were built or not into GTA San Andreas, that’s for ESRB to decide) can be viewed, is not held responsible for his actions.

It looks like, during this witch hunt aimed directly at Rockstar, everyone seems to forget that after all, Patrick Wildenborg has modified a piece of software (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Grand-Theft-Auto-And-The-Witch-Hunt-On-Porn-Scenes-4607.shtml#). I wonder what would have happened
to Wildenborg should he have modified Microsoft’s source code in such a way that instead of Windows Explorer we would have seen one of Pamela Anderson’s pictorials. I doubt that even Wildenborg's grand-grand-children would have finished paying the damages to Microsoft (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Grand-Theft-Auto-And-The-Witch-Hunt-On-Porn-Scenes-4607.shtml#).

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has anyone checked this out to see if it's true or ever heard of it? it's all over the news!

boooooooooo! they just want to shut down rockstar games in this witch hunt! fuckers-

junglizm

07-11-2005, 08:08 PM

has anyone checked this out to see if it's true or ever heard of it? it's all over the news!
It's supposedly real, but it only works on the PC version of the game. http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=28

Brain Spout

07-11-2005, 08:17 PM

well heres the question. why did they leave shit like that in the game? they disabled it? they should have known that the discovery of something liek that would anger people. i dont think they should get in trouble on the technicality that the reason it surfaced is because of an illegal modification, but i think that they shoudl have been smarter than to leave something like that in

JLXC

07-11-2005, 08:35 PM

UberSkippy

07-11-2005, 10:58 PM

Just goes to show they should have left in the porn in the first place. It's a Mature 17+ game anyways, why the fuck should they disable the porn. It would have avoided all this bullshit. They did it because Americans are psychotic about porn. They can't get enough of it, and they can't bitch about it enough. This should be a warning to game developers, Leave in the Porn!

You know dude, you have a good point.

It's not like this is a "healthy" game for youngsters. You know, killing the drug dealers, car jacking innocents, shooting strangers then stealing their cash, getting a hooker when you don't feel good, stealing shit, shooting cops, gang banging and the rest.

Yeah, porn is the least of our worries in that game.

MaxPower

07-11-2005, 11:12 PM

It's supposedly real, but it only works on the PC version of the game. http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=28
Yep, it is real. I saw it on G4TV. They had a live but pixelated demo. Using the key combos, you can perform various sex acts and positions, wit yo bitches and hos.

JLXC

07-11-2005, 11:29 PM

Yep, it is real. I saw it on G4TV. They had a live but pixelated demo. Using the key combos, you can perform various sex acts and positions, wit yo bitches and hos.

Shit that would have so added to sales! Why didn't they just leave it functional!

Nailbomb

07-12-2005, 12:45 AM

Nothing bad's gonna happen to Rockstar. This won't even make it to court. All they have to do is point to the warning that says "Strong Sexual Content" and laugh. Hell, even in the PS2 version there's some semi-nudity. You can walk into any strip club in the game and find one of the dancers has her nipples peeking over the top of her...um...outfit.

Nailbomb

07-12-2005, 12:53 AM

Just goes to show they should have left in the porn in the first place. It's a Mature 17+ game anyways, why the fuck should they disable the porn. It would have avoided all this bullshit. They did it because Americans are psychotic about porn. They can't get enough of it, and they can't bitch about it enough. This should be a warning to game developers, Leave in the Porn!

That would bump it into the "AO" category, which, unlike the other ratings, is enforced. Companies like Gamestop and Best Buy can still sell "MA" games to minors (which both also have done despite promises not to), thereby increasing sales. Sure, a lot of the kids would just pay some bum a bit extra to buy it for them, but they'd still lose money from the kids who aren't smart/motivated enough to do so.

Blaze

07-12-2005, 09:28 AM

amazing how people like to ride rockstar's jock cuz they put a few eyebrow raising things in GTA:SA. so the fuck what! who cares! it's a great entertaining game and i don't care.

sometimes censorship is a pain in the butt. do they really think that whatever rockstar decided 2 put in GTA we haven't already seen in life? man, bullshit! :mfinger: buncha haters!

oh, and rockstar.........keep doin' whatcha do! :thumbsup:

Nailbomb

07-12-2005, 09:34 AM

oh, and rockstar.........keep doin' whatcha do! :thumbsup:

Psst...I don't think they heard you.

Blaze

07-12-2005, 09:38 AM

yeah? well, i'm a give them some kudos anyways. doncha think they deserve a pat on the back for pissin' off the prudes on the censorship board?

Nailbomb

07-12-2005, 02:32 PM

Not really, considering the ESRB didn't have anything to do with it. All they do is rate the games.

Zimbu

07-12-2005, 02:50 PM

******

Descent

07-13-2005, 12:01 AM

*Runs out to GameStop*

FYI, sex in a game bumps it's rating up to AO, Adults Only. Teen is when a game contains any sort of violence unless you are a first-party developer besides Nintendo or Sega, because we want you to have good sales.

Remember the red blood in Zelda 64 v1.0 and early v1.1 cartridges during the final stabbing of Ganon? THAT was never listed under "Animated Blood" on the box. And I'm pretty sure Sonic Adventure 2 and the upcoming Shadow the Hedgehog would have been rated Teen but Sega made it, so they won't care if you blow stuff up in a dark atmosphere.

Oh, and not many stores besides GameStop sell AO rated games.

RageAgainst

07-15-2005, 06:23 AM

I rememeber there was a little scandal about tomb raider and a mod that you could see the girls boobies. eh.

Blaze

07-15-2005, 07:52 AM

yeah, i remember that. there was also a big deal about seeing the gaming world's favorite pin-up (Lara Croft) ala buff. there were even a few websites claiming to have Lara stark buck nekit :confuse: ! of COURSE i had to investigate these sites for myself. it was too juicey to pass up :thumbsup: . some of them were bogus. HOWEVER, there were two sites that did pan out. there she was, Lady Lara Croft, Dutchess of St. Bridget, butt ass naked for all the net to see.

yes, she has huge ta-tas....but then again, who needs to see her naked to know that. her stats say she is a 36 or 38D. whatever. other than that fellas, she's got a small butt, nothing to really shout about. so there. mystery revealed. if you need to get your naked-Lara fix, then just superempose Lara's head over Pamela Anderson's body and VOILA! instant birthday-suit-Lara :D !

Descent

07-15-2005, 05:27 PM

MaxPower

07-22-2005, 06:55 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/slip-streamdotnet/endmedia/1914.jpg

Runningflame570

07-22-2005, 07:04 PM

Vader

07-22-2005, 07:06 PM

Runningflame570

07-22-2005, 07:09 PM

So your saying you like anime porn??

I am aware that tone of voice isn't present in typing..but you should have caught that sarcasm. If that was to my title, ecchi IS softcore anime porn, but I more see it for its artistic value. Ecchi can be very beautiful.

EDIT: If that was to the game comment, CG and anime are two different things, just to let you know.

junglizm

07-22-2005, 07:12 PM

Hentai/ecchi/whatever is disgusting. You're pretty pathetic if you look at cartoon porn.So your saying you like anime porn??
Isn't anime traditionally hand drawn Japanese animation? So wouldn't that make CG done by an American company, well, um, not anime?

Runningflame570

07-22-2005, 07:16 PM

Hentai/ecchi/whatever is disgusting. You're pretty pathetic if you look at cartoon porn.

junglizm, I don't have time to get in a long arguement, but ecchi. (If you know what true ecchi is) Is not disgusting, but merely a colorful rendition of the female form, in a fairly non-sexual way.

junglizm

07-22-2005, 07:20 PM

junglizm, I don't have time to get in a long arguement, but ecchi. (If you know what true ecchi is) Is not disgusting, but merely a colorful rendition of the female form, in a fairly non-sexual way.
Ok, well that's just your opinion.

Descent

07-22-2005, 10:33 PM

DAMN! How come I am always the last one to hear about the hidden porn in these games? Also, FYI. There has never been a game advertised on TV that is AO. About the only ones rated that I know of are some old Atari 2600 games.

4-bit nudity, yay! :rolleyes:

Actually, the Atari VCS/2600 had a custom 8-bit "Stella" CPU/GPU based on the MOS Technologies 6507 processor core and ran at 1.19MHz. The NES used a similar CPU but different GPU, a custom Nintnedo PPU (Picture Processing Unit) that had it's own frame buffer, sported around triple the resolution, and had many more colors and sprite capabilities. It's a little known fact that the name "Stella" originated from the name of one of the engineers' bicycles.

And by the way, Custer's Revenge rules.

LiberatioN

07-23-2005, 11:58 AM

Oh, and not many stores besides GameStop sell AO rated games.

of course; thats why this is a legal issue in the first place. Rockstar would lose alot of profits from the game sales if it was taken off the market in alot of mainstream retail stores. btw Hillary Clinton is on the case now. She's starting some fund to stop violent games...i'll try to find the article and put it in this thread.

My stand is that the game SHOULD be rated AO if there is excessive nudity...but I really think they're blowing this out of proportion. It's a violent game, and it's rated Mature 17+...maybe parents shouldn't just give in to their 10 year old's demands before considering what it is they're buying. Damn you, America...if only you were brighter.

Lucky_420

07-23-2005, 12:37 PM

its one of the best game series ever, so they think they can get away with it. idk i love playing the game so i favor it, you know its been comming, they do have strip joints

Descent

07-23-2005, 02:08 PM

its one of the best game series ever, so they think they can get away with it. idk i love playing the game so i favor it, you know its been comming, they do have strip joints

Totally overdone, IMO.

You wanna know a better game than San Andreas? Halloween Harry for DOS. That game is motherfucking badass - as well as Duke Nukem 3D. Hell, Descent's fucking gaming perfection, it kicks the crap out of GTA - my all time favorite FPS and game.

Icarus

07-23-2005, 09:25 PM

"Mom, can I have some privacy? I'm trying to play Grand Theft Auto!"

Cinderwolf

07-26-2005, 08:02 AM

Rockstar would definitely lose some profits by announcing that pronographic and explicit sexual material is contained within GTA: San Andreas, yes, I agree. But now for the question...why was it even placed in there regardless of it being disabled?

Seriously now, there's absolutely no point at all to doing something like that. They knew right from the start that someone would eventually figure it out...and yes, they CAN be taken to court over it, because they witheld information from the ESRB. Every video game released, MUST be passed through the ESRB by it's company for their rating. Any game released MUST be rated by the ESRB before it hits any store shelves. The ESRB is an essential part of the gaming community...
Rockstar games illegally witheld information about one of their titles and because of that, people younger than even the legal M rating age (18 and 19 in some places) are able to get a hold of it. Yes, some places say 'screw it' about following the ruling and allowing minors to rent the software, but in all technicality, they're breaking the law.

Now, you also have to look at it from another perspective...states and provinces here in North America have specific laws about pornogpraphy, stating a person must be of this specific age to be legally allowed to view it. If they're caught with it, whoever is responsible for allowing the minor access to it can be and is held liable in court for the crime...it would be viewed as corrupting a minor some something around those terms. It wouldn't be hard at all to prove that Rockstar is held liable for any of this, REGARDLESS of the fact that it is also partly Patrick Wildenborg's fault for modifying a piece of coding within a program to ALLOW the sexual content's activation/unlocking in the game.

In all technicality, BOTH parties can be held liable in court whether they had good intentions or not. All it would take is one minor running this program and playing the game and seeing the content before they could legally be taken to court.

Now, I for one and a fan of the GTA series, especially the first one designed for pc/playstation. It was great old-fashioned fun and then it was completely revamped for other consoles. They've been getting better, sure, but something like this scandal just dropped the bomb on the series. If Rockstar REALLY wanted this crap placed into the game, they should have released the information to the ESRB. If people are REALLY true fans of the games, sales would have been 'relatively' unaffected. Yes, profits WOULD have dropped a fair ammount, but they still would have made more than enough money than any game should bring in. They're going to end up spending more money through this scandal than they wish they had...

Runningflame570

07-26-2005, 08:31 AM

They might consider it "corrupting a minor" but lets face it, they are just looking for a scapegoat. If you really want to prevent a kid from seeing porn, outlaw it altogether, but even that wouldn't work. It would be another thing like prohibition.

With the internet, its EASY to find porn, hell, you stumble across it without even trying. So back the fuck off of the gaming industry about it. They just do this crap because they need something to blame other than their own fucking idiocy. :mfinger:

As for not taking it out, I think that locking it up someplace is sufficient. Do you know how much code goes into one of these games? Jeez..a ridiculous amount. Just finding that tidbit would probably be a sizeable feat. Schedules for game releases are tight.

LiberatioN

07-26-2005, 12:01 PM

With the internet, its EASY to find porn, hell, you stumble across it without even trying. What does that have anything to do with PC gaming? This is about correctly RATING a video game. I guess we couldn't have expected much more from Squall of FFVIII.

So back the fuck off of the gaming industry about it. They just do this crap because they need something to blame other than their own fucking idiocy. :mfinger:No, they do this so the company won't get sued. It only takes one irate mother to get the attention of the FCC for incorrectly putting unnecessary material in their child's game and "corrupting his mind" to have a whole company thrown a loop and possibly shut down due to ongoing charges. Now, I don't AGREE with censorship to this extreme like we have in America, but it's just the way it is and will be for a long time to come.

Descent

07-26-2005, 12:40 PM

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I have lenghtened my message to six characters.

junglizm

07-26-2005, 12:51 PM

They might consider it "corrupting a minor" but lets face it, they are just looking for a scapegoat. If you really want to prevent a kid from seeing porn, outlaw it altogether, but even that wouldn't work. It would be another thing like prohibition.
Are you serious? I sure don't want my daughter playing a sex mini game in a game rated for teens 14 and up. It's not the fact of the nudity, because it's not really graphic, it's more the fact that the "mod" entails interactive sex. You're naive if you think this is anything like prohibition. This is just parents trying to do their job.
With the internet, its EASY to find porn, hell, you stumble across it without even trying.
What does that have to do with anything? http://www.justinb.us/images/emote/tard.gif You can buy porn in book stores too, but it has no influence on this topic. Did you even have a point? So back the fuck off of the gaming industry about it. They just do this crap because they need something to blame other than their own fucking idiocy.Nobody has even bothered the gaming industry since the Mortal Kombat fiasco. After which, the gaming industry created the ESRB to regulate themselves; they did that to be responsilbe and avoid outside censorships or envolvement. Hell, God Of War conatins nudity too, with better graphics than GTA and nobody has complained because it was properly rated. Rockstar made a mistake in assuming that gameers wouldn't find out about it. Rockstar is screwing it's own industry, this kind of crap is anti-progressive.
As for not taking it out, I think that locking it up someplace is sufficient. Do you know how much code goes into one of these games?
Do you even understand what you're saying? The code for the mini game was inactive before the guy enabled it. That obviously means it could be removed with ease and not effect the game play. Also, physically removing it is as easy as checking a version lacking that code into version control.
Jeez..a ridiculous amount. Just finding that tidbit would probably be a sizable feat. Schedules for game releases are tight.Again, you're clearly naive. Games get hacked, cracked, modded and otherwise altered within days of their release, sometimes hours. Not to mention what gets leaked before release date. Hell, the BF2 demo was modded to include CTF and unlocked weapons in under three days.

Descent

07-26-2005, 01:02 PM

Nobody has even bothered the gaming industry since the Mortal Kombat fiasco. After which, the gaming industry created the ESRB to regulate themselves; they did that to be responsilbe and avoid outside censorships or envolvement. Hell, God Of War conatins nudity too, with better graphics than GTA and nobody has complained because it was properly rated. Rockstar made a mistake in assuming that gameers wouldn't find out about it. Rockstar is screwing it's own industry, this kind of crap is anti-progressive.

In 1999 they were under fire again for Columbine - Sega chose not to release their official Dreamcast lightgun because of that, and at one point the police had to be at id Software's headquarters both day and night to prevent rioters. It was very scary. John Romero got off lucky because he was working on Daikatana at Ion Storm at the time, but when he was once bowling with his stepfather, the guy threatened to "take it outside" with a group of people who were saying that Doom was corrupting kids.

In the immortal words of John Romero:

Those kids were defective. Don't blame me - blame the fucking parents!

And Romero still doesn't know how to fire a gun in real life and doesn't care to know.

Runningflame570

07-26-2005, 01:08 PM

Are you serious? I sure don't want my daughter playing a sex mini game in a game rated for teens 14 and up. It's not the fact of the nudity, because it's not really graphic, it's more the fact that the "mod" entails interactive sex. You're naive if you think this is anything like prohibition. This is just parents trying to do their job.

Do you even understand what you're saying? The code for the mini game was inactive before the guy enabled it. That obviously means it could be removed with ease and not effect the game play. Also, physically removing it is as easy as checking a version lacking that code into version control.
Again, you're clearly naive. Games get hacked, cracked, modded and otherwise altered within days of their release, sometimes hours. Not to mention what gets leaked before release date. Hell, the BF2 demo was modded to include CTF and unlocked weapons in under three days.

It was rated M(17+), if you don't want that to happen, don't let them play the games rated as such. I'm not saying 17 yearolds should be playing sex games, what I'm trying to say is, people need to regulate themselves, the law shouldn't have to regulate everything.

As for the other part, you are correct, I am naive in those matters, but I intend to correct that. :happysad: It was more my irritation at increased censorship speaking. Just putting in my :twocents: :/

junglizm

07-26-2005, 01:20 PM

In 1999 they were under fire again...
I was unawares.It was rated M(17+), if you don't want that to happen, don't let them play the games rated as such.
It's wasn't rated AO upon release...

It took tons of publicity for this to receive a proper rating. That's my issue with all of this. AO games are just fine, I'm all for games geared towards adults. (not unnecessarily just porn, but games for a more mature audience.)

And I'm well aware that some parent's aren't going to do their jobs, that's life, oh well. Game manufacturer's should do what's best for their industry though, and definitely not lie about their obvious involvement when confronted.
people need to regulate themselves, the law shouldn't have to regulate everything.That might work in a perfect world, where everyone actually cares to do so. However, in real life not everyone does regulate themselves, or their children. Game companies should be responsible and regulate themselves, releasing the game with that hidden was a bad move by Rockstar and brings undue scrutiny on the rest of the industry.

BRiT

07-26-2005, 08:06 PM

It's wasn't rated AO upon release...

Jung. It was rated M [Mature] upon release. They have now labeled it as AO [Adult Only]. Rating M is Age 17 and up. Rating AO is Age 18 and up.

This is equivalent to movie ratings of R and X.

junglizm

07-26-2005, 08:13 PM

Jung. It was rated M [Mature] upon release. They have now labeled it as AO [Adult Only]. Rating M is Age 17 and up. Rating AO is Age 18 and up.

This is equivalent to movie ratings of R and X.
I understand that. A lot of parents deem R movies ok even for children under 17, and probably feel the same about the M rating. However, I'd be willing to bet that most of those parent wouldn't be ok with an X rating. My entire point was, the game was misrepresented from the beginning, and Rockstar acted irresponsibly. Now they've lied about it. :thumbsdn:

Descent

07-27-2005, 03:58 PM

I understand that. A lot of parents deem R movies ok even for children under 17, and probably feel the same about the M rating. However, I'd be willing to bet that most of those parent wouldn't be ok with an X rating. My entire point was, the game was misrepresented from the beginning, and Rockstar acted irresponsibly. Now they've lied about it. :thumbsdn:

Not really. Rockstar is the publisher - if they said "cut out the sex secene" they never know how the programmers at Take Two did it.

Besides, the ESRB is biased and neglegent. First party titles usually get grace with their rating system. If you've played as many games as I have, by modern standards, Sonic Adventure 2 would have been rated Teen if someone besides Sega made it. Even though Sega is third party now, they still get that grace from their console legacy.

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx_assets/product_images/212490.jpg
RATING: TEEN. AGES 13+. MINIMAL GUN USAGE AND BLOWING STUFF UP. CARTOONY. DEVELOPED BY A THIRD PARTY, HAL LABROTORIES, NOT NINTENDO.

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9251/leakedboxart7iv.png

POSSIBLE LEAKED SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG BOX ART - COULD BE A HOAX, BUT THE LACK OF ACTUAL IN-GAME MEDIA MAKES THIS FEASIBLE. RATED E10+ - FOR AGES 10 AND OLDER. CONTAINS HEAVY GUN USAGE, LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS, A VERY DARK ATMOSPHERE, AND HEAVY NEGATIVE EMOTIONS - THE MARKINGS OF MODERN DAY TEEN RATINGS.

DEVELOPED BY SEGA'S INTERNAL SONIC TEAM STUDIO - FIRST PARTY SEGA SOFTWARE. CASE IN POINT - INTENTIONAL BIAS.

The ESRB is heavily fucked up - I've noticed this since the days of Zelda 64. "Animated Blood" was never listed on the box - remember the final fight with Ganon? If you have a version 1.0 or early 1.1 cartridge like me, that blood is motherfucking red and plain as day. Later carts have it green - but on the box it only contains "ANIMATED VIOLENCE."

junglizm

07-27-2005, 04:23 PM

Not really. Rockstar is the publisher - if they said "cut out the sex secene" they never know how the programmers at Take Two did it. And the publisher is responsible for the content released under it's name. Do you really think that Rockstar doesn't directly employ developers and liaisons to aid in the development and QA cycle? Furthermore, if Rockstar really didn't know, they shouldn't have said they knew nothing about it.

So what's your point?
Besides, the ESRB is biased and neglegent. First party titles usually get grace with their rating system. I don't doubt that one bit, but that has nothing to do with this issue. Had Rockstar left the sex game in, it would've received an AO rating, and if people had known about it being hidden it would've probably been an issue at rating time.

Regardless of who did what or how biased the rating system is, releasing the game with the hidden content was a bad idea, and it's bad for the entire industry.

Descent

07-27-2005, 04:36 PM

I don't doubt that one bit, but that has nothing to do with this issue. Had Rockstar left the sex game in, it would've received an AO rating, and if people had known about it being hidden it would've probably been an issue at rating time.

Regardless of who did what or how biased the rating system is, releasing the game with the hidden content was a bad idea, and it's bad for the entire industry.

Well, did they even know the content was still there? Knowing the way quite a few games handle files, in the .pak, .hog, .pig, .wad, .vp, .whatever files there may have been unused data or texture skins located in incorrect subdirectories. For example:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6885/freespacevpfiledata3fq.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freespacevpfiledata3 fq.png)

Click that image. See the open file in the preview window, CreditsArt02.PCX? I didn't even know that file existed until this very post. It's not used in FreeSpace's credits - the original FreeSpace takes up ~600MB when fully installed. Now think of a game that takes up around 9GB on a PlayStation 2. Food for thought. FreeSpace 2 even includes two blooper tracks that aren't accesible without the use of that third party VPView32 software.

The bigger the game is, the more stuff gets left in. Also, there's more undiscovered stuff.