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It would seem that certain mod-chip developers, SmartXX, have already obtained several Xbox 360 Dev Kits (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEkVEuupVAhBWJPUsL.php). They have disected the kits and posted up 30 Megs worth (http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/XeDK-smartxx/) of detailed internal pictures.
I found the external AC-Adaptor (http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/XeDK-smartxx/smartxx-xbx360-01.JPG) to be interesting. Hopefully that will be carried through to retail units to make the system quieter, cooler, and smaller.
jamesp
08-27-2005, 03:36 PM
Wow it looks like that AC adaptor has its own POST. Pretty nifty BRiT.
Iron Newt
08-27-2005, 07:45 PM
I dont know what to be more excited about, the xbox coming out earlier and cheaper and aparently as good, or the ps2 coming out later more expensive and apearing to me as not much better.
jamesp
08-27-2005, 09:20 PM
In my opinion XBOX is many orders of magnitude better than Playstaion. The graphics are better, as well as the controllers. Plus the 360 will have HD output, up to 16 individual streams, I believe. This baby is packing some serious firepower.
Descent
08-27-2005, 10:39 PM
It would seem that certain mod-chip developers, SmartXX, have already obtained several Xbox 360 Dev Kits (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEkVEuupVAhBWJPUsL.php). They have disected the kits and posted up 30 Megs worth (http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/XeDK-smartxx/) of detailed internal pictures.
I found the external AC-Adaptor (http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/pictures/XeDK-smartxx/smartxx-xbx360-01.JPG) to be interesting. Hopefully that will be carried through to retail units to make the system quieter, cooler, and smaller.
Holy fucking shit, that thing has even less circuitry than my Dreamcast! Talk about tight engineering :speech:.
Never thought that would ever happen again...
Fire_ze_Missles
08-27-2005, 11:04 PM
Holy fucking shit, that thing has even less circuitry than my Dreamcast! Talk about tight engineering :speech:.
Never thought that would ever happen again...
It's Microsoft, those tightwads can't produce a browser that even works. Less is more at Microsoft. :)
jamesp
08-27-2005, 11:59 PM
Holy fucking shit, that thing has even less circuitry than my Dreamcast! Talk about tight engineering :speech:.
Never thought that would ever happen again...
Ummm....no. The AC Adaptor, that thing in the picture? Yeah, it had a POST boot very similar to a Cisco Router. It has a lot a very advandced circuitry. But it appears to very seemlessly designed.
jamesp
08-28-2005, 12:03 AM
It's Microsoft, those tightwads can't produce a browser that even works. Less is more at Microsoft. :)
I bet if they made IE open source (http://opensource.org/docs/definition.php), it would turn into a much, much better browser. Actually much the same way that Mozilla OS'ing was rebuilt from the ground up by the community and turned into a very popular browser (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/).
junglizm
08-28-2005, 12:10 AM
Triton (the IE rendering engine) would need a complete re-write to be worth a damn. OSS or not...
OSS is cool and all, but definitely not the answer to everything. Especially when OSS projects get dropped left and right when something new and cool comes along. OSS is all about trends and what's new and exciting; browsers are neither.
And btw, if you didn't know, Mozilla developers get paid.
</rant>
Fire_ze_Missles
08-28-2005, 12:28 AM
From what I understand only a few xbox games will work on the new 360?
Nailbomb
08-28-2005, 12:54 AM
I dont know what to be more excited about, the xbox coming out earlier and cheaper and aparently as good, or the ps2 coming out later more expensive and apearing to me as not much better.
Both systems came out YEARS ago. :rolleyes:
From what I understand only a few xbox games will work on the new 360?
if you get the more expensive xbox2 that has the hard drive, or pay $100 for it as an add on to the cheaper xbox2, then you have compatiblity with some xbox1 titles, microsoft have deemed only 'major' titles worthy of backwards compatability..
though as i recall the ps2/psone backwards compatability was generally a short lived novelty function.
and my 2cents.. ps3 will be the daddy, it's all about the games..
junglizm
08-28-2005, 01:17 AM
I will probably buy both, just like last gen, but I'm looking for the ps3 to be the better console.
P.S. Is Nintendo even still in this race? I feel stupid for buying a Gamecube now...
Nailbomb
08-28-2005, 01:24 AM
P.S. Is Nintendo even still in this race? I feel stupid for buying a Gamecube now...
They're probably making a new DS or something.
Slacker
08-28-2005, 01:26 AM
I will probably buy both, just like last gen, but I'm looking for the ps3 to be the better console.
P.S. Is Nintendo even still in this race? I feel stupid for buying a Gamecube now...
Well I just traded my gamecube for a couple of ps2 games, God of war, Project Snowblind and a couple of more games. Nintendo is falling in its popularity and pretty soon will be out of the compitition. Ps3 and Xbox 360 is the main compitition and gamecube will be struggling to keep up.
UberSkippy
08-28-2005, 01:26 AM
P.S. Is Nintendo even still in this race? I feel stupid for buying a Gamecube now...
Why Jung? You can buy that new mario bros baseball title. Cuz I KNOW you've got a thing for Luigi. /sarcasm
If they are still in the running they're the token player anymore. They targeted the younger market so they had a lower price point. I've never compared it side by side with either of its competitors but I'm guessing it's not as powerfull. At any rate, they missunderestimated the draw for MS and Sony. The younger kids wanted the big kids toys. The big kids didn't want a Fisher Price console. It was a nice attempt but in the end it was a bad call.
Sure they've got some cool titles but nothing that's going to drive people to buy the console like Halo 2 (which I never understood) or the GTA titles (which Sony tends to get a lock on for 6-12 months).
junglizm
08-28-2005, 01:28 AM
Yeah, I only own like 7 Gamecube games, because most of them suck horribly. Worst purchase ever. :thumbsdn:
Slacker
08-28-2005, 01:29 AM
I would say that it was a attemp to stay in the competition but I do think it will last long.
Fire_ze_Missles
08-28-2005, 01:34 AM
Nintendo Revolutions. It should be pretty sweet, in the way of Nintendo. From what I hear, it will be able to connect to a server and have the ability to download and play games from SNES, NES, etc.
Here is a link to the top google return. Click! (http://www.nlgaming.com/ds/nl/asp/id_2792/nl/gamedetail.htm)
Slacker
08-28-2005, 01:42 AM
Nintendo Revolutions. It should be pretty sweet, in the way of Nintendo. From what I hear, it will be able to connect to a server and have the ability to download and play games from SNES, NES, etc.
Here is a link to the top google return. Click! (http://www.nlgaming.com/ds/nl/asp/id_2792/nl/gamedetail.htm)
The only prob with gamecube that it couldn't play DvDs.
Pretty sleek. But is there any good games for it? I have a SNES and a Nintendo 64. But are the graphics still the same?
Thats good that it plays DvDs and Wireless controllers.
The stars: Introduction of a number of new franchise properties will add to the world's richest stable of stars, including Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Donkey Kong and Metroid.
I have all those games. Which is good. And you can compete with people accross the world.
I think Xbox 360 and the ps3 has some compitition.
UberSkippy
08-28-2005, 01:51 AM
I think Xbox 360 and the ps3 has some compitition.
I doubt it. It's already behind in a bunch of areas:
1. No internal Hard Drive. 512MB of Flash memory doesn't compete with 20GB of hard drive.
2. No online gaming. It'll connect to a LAN but not the internet?
3. No out of the box DVD support. Didn't they learn from MS's mistake in that area?
Sure it looks cool but frankly, Nintendo would do much better to license their "stars" to one of the other two players in the market. Besides being able to play Zelda (whoopity do) what's the point of buying another Nintendo system?
Nailbomb
08-28-2005, 02:00 AM
Besides being able to play Zelda (whoopity do) what's the point of buying another Nintendo system?
You mean there was a point in buying the first Nintendo system?
CopyLifted
08-28-2005, 02:21 AM
I personally think that the PS3 is going to kick the shit out of the Xbox 360. I also think that the downfall of the 360 is going to be the way that is going to be marketed. Seriously, I think that Microsoft is going more towards online abilities, rather than the games themselves.
It doesn't really matter to me though, they're both going to sell millions when they are released, but I won't be buying either one until I "know" what can be done with them by the end user. ;)
Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but they have not said one iota about PS3 prices, except that they'll be pushing into new territory and have to break the mindset of the consumers. If rumored prices of PS3 being well over $600 are true, then I dont view XBox 360 and PS3 even being competing products. The other benefit the X360 has is being available 6 months earlier. As for technical abilities, the two systems are very close to one another.
jamesp
08-28-2005, 01:49 PM
From what I understand only a few xbox games will work on the new 360?
That wouldnt make any sense...?
I dont think you guys understand the firepower the new XBOX is packing, clickity (http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox-360/perfect-dark-zero/613063p1.html).
Pay attention to the processor and video out in particular.
Multithreading and multi-cores! C'mon!
Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but they have not said one iota about PS3 prices, except that they'll be pushing into new territory and have to break the mindset of the consumers. If rumored prices of PS3 being well over $600 are true, then I dont view XBox 360 and PS3 even being competing products. The other benefit the X360 has is being available 6 months earlier. As for technical abilities, the two systems are very close to one another.
the ps3 costs about $500 to produce, and will retail at $400 same as the 'proper' xbox360, ie harddrive version.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=HPID,HPID:2005-16,HPID:en&q=ps3+production+cost
incidently, does anyone else think ms is taking the piss asking $100 for a 20GB HD as an after market addon, i know that if you buy the initial option you get a wireless controller and a dvd remote and other stuff, but for those that don't buy the $299 option and then realise an xbox without a HD is a pretty poor option will be $100 down for 20GB, not cool.
That wouldnt make any sense...?
I dont think you guys understand the firepower the new XBOX is packing, clickity (http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox-360/perfect-dark-zero/613063p1.html).
Pay attention to the processor and video out in particular.
Multithreading and multi-cores! C'mon!
it is true though, only limited backwards compatability.. something to do with the main processors or something being incompatible (they were liscensed on the xbox, in house on 360), and blamed by fanboys on ms wanting to go the cheap route, again.
UberSkippy
08-28-2005, 04:03 PM
it is true though, only limited backwards compatability.. something to do with the main processors or something being incompatible (they were liscensed on the xbox, in house on 360), and blamed by fanboys on ms wanting to go the cheap route, again.
Uhhh... the Xbox 360 processors are licensed as well. From IBM this time around. Oddly enough, Sony is licensing their processor from IBM as well.
Imagine that, IBM wins the console war.
Nailbomb
08-28-2005, 04:10 PM
Uhhh... the Xbox 360 processors are licensed as well. From IBM this time around. Oddly enough, Sony is licensing their processor from IBM as well.
Imagine that, IBM wins the console war.
I wouldn't be too suprised if that really does happen in the future. There weren't many people expecting Sony to get into video games, but then the Playstation came out and destroyed Sega and Nintendo. Then Microsoft came out of nowhere and are holding against Sony.
Hell, for all we know, IBM, HP, and even Apple could be developing their own systems. :tongue:
UberSkippy
08-28-2005, 04:18 PM
Hell, for all we know, IBM, HP, and even Apple could be developing their own systems. :tongue:
Well, if they are here's what we could expect:
IBM's unit would cost a fucking fortune, be rock solid reliable but it wouldn't do anything better than anyone else's.
HP's would be late, wouldn't work very well and would cause brand confusion because it'd have the Compaq logo on it, BUT it would come with a free printer that didn't work very well.
Apple's unit would look fucking amazing, would work really well but the controllers wouldn't have enough buttons, nobody would understand how to make it work and would be marketed by drunk monkies making black and white commercials that make zero fucking sense.
Nailbomb
08-28-2005, 04:34 PM
HP's would be late, wouldn't work very well and would cause brand confusion because it'd have the Compaq logo on it, BUT it would come with a free printer that didn't work very well.
Keeping up with the confusion, they'd probably call it the Pentium Console.
"So, what console you gonna get?"
"I'm gonna get a PC."
the ps3 costs about $500 to produce, and will retail at $400 same as the 'proper' xbox360, ie harddrive version.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=HPID,HPID:2005-16,HPID:en&q=ps3+production+cost
That PS3 price is not confirmed. That's still rumor and conjecture. I expect the PS3 to sell for $500-$600. This is evident in the words of Sony's President, Mr Kutarargi.
Toyo Keizai goes on to interview Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi, who avoided revealing the PS3's price but hinted that it would not be marked down excessively. "Whether consumers think a product is expensive or cheap all depends on the balance between its appeal and price," he said. "Our ideal [for the PS3] is for consumers to think to themselves, 'OK, I'll work more hours and buy it.' We want people to feel that they want it, no matter what."
That PS3 price is not confirmed. That's still rumor and conjecture. I expect the PS3 to sell for $500-$600. This is evident in the words of Sony's President, Mr Kutarargi.
no disrespect but isn't it all conjecture, hearsay and guesses until we get a press statement, i'm just saying what the ps3 fanboys are thinking, myself one of them.. and anyway, this is what sony does, make you think it's going to be a gazillion dollars and then pleasantly suprises you, like the psp..
i hope the xbox360 does push the envelope for consoles, but i hope the ps3 pushes it further, i prefer the games on ps (quirky stuff like katamari, ico).
Yes it's mostly conjecture and I'm simply posting what educated people are thinking along with any evidence that supports it. The Sony President was interviewed and asked about pricing, in relation to Xbox 360, and he had that to say. Thus I don't see how any rational person given this information can come to any conclusion other than the PS3 being more expensive than all models of XBox 360.
The next paragraph goes on to state:
"When Nintendo was selling its 16-bit machine at around 12,500 yen ($114), we sold the first PlayStation at 39,800 yen ($364)," continued Kutaragi. "The press was saying that it was expensive, but it was a huge hit. It's the same thing with the PlayStation Portable from last year. The Game Boy Advance is a same handheld gaming machine, and it costs less than 10 thousand yen ($91). On the other hand, our PSP had cost 25,000 yen ($229). But people lined up overnight to buy it, and it sold out on the day of its launch. It all depends on whether people want it. Of course, I'm confident that the PS3 is a product that people will definitely want."
Those two statements support and set the expectations that the PS3 will be more expensive than the competition. Only those with their eyes closed would see it any other way.
now no-one ever said that ps3 fanboys were rational, myself included.. :confuse:
i'm not being pissy, i guess i just want to believe there won't be a $600 console..:cfingers:
Descent
08-31-2005, 11:16 PM
I will probably buy both, just like last gen, but I'm looking for the ps3 to be the better console.
P.S. Is Nintendo even still in this race? I feel stupid for buying a Gamecube now...
Yeah, I only own like 7 Gamecube games, because most of them suck horribly. Worst purchase ever. rage/smilies/thumbsdown.gif
Always happy to find a fellow gamer who feels assraped by Nintendo's purple purse of suckage.
No, they're as out of the picture for me now as the Sega Saturn was back in the mid-ninties, neither console is an option. Which says quite a lot. I owned an N64. Still do, two in fact.
And I'm still finding more back-cataloged Dreamcast software I want than any back-cataloged or "new" ( :rolleyes: ) GayPube software. The issue is that used Dreamcast games rarely work, fuck the GD-ROM format, it's delicate as balls.
I mean, what the fuck?! I bought that thing because I was expecting another N64 but instead I got some pile of shit that didn't live up to anything I actually wanted.
now no-one ever said that ps3 fanboys were rational, myself included.. rage/smilies/confused.gif
i'm not being pissy, i guess i just want to believe there won't be a $600 console..:cfingers:
It will just be another Sega Saturn - Don't get your hopes up. Just pay $100 less for the XBox 360 and you'll get essentially the same software.
And by the way, the shit you call "quirky" I've played in every incarnation from 8-bit, to 16-bit, to the N64 and Sega Dreamcast, and I've done it all. Not upgrading now, I'm sick of gaming in general. I've just...Fucking done everything there is to do. Even 16-bit titles are growing old.
sideshow_bob
09-01-2005, 03:11 AM
The way the backwards compatability is going to work is they're going to have emulators on the hdd. At first there will only be a few games emulated but over time the number will increase, but probably won't ever include all the games due to licensing etc..
I guess I'm going to be the one detractor here because I'm waiting to see what Nintendo has in store with the Revolution. I'll admit it'll prolly be just another shitty gimmick but I'd like to hope they might get their heads out of their asses. The lack of DVD functionality doesn't matter to me since I already own five different devices that play DVD's. Rumor has it they're unveiling at the Tokyo Game Show later this month.
Iron Newt
09-04-2005, 11:36 AM
Both systems came out YEARS ago. :rolleyes:
I cant believe your hacking on me for that, i mean the two was a fucking typo. I meant the ps not ps2, as in the base of ps3, stupid. Same with xbox. :gun: . Anyway, i think i read somewheres that the ps3 (cough bitch cough) has more power than the xbox 360. But im not sure where and if its a reliable source. Plus if i buy the xbox 360 ill miss socom 2 and 3, but if i buy the ps2 ill miss halo 2 and 3 (i know there will be one). Just throwing it out there.
Descent
09-04-2005, 12:06 PM
The way the backwards compatability is going to work is they're going to have emulators on the hdd. At first there will only be a few games emulated but over time the number will increase, but probably won't ever include all the games due to licensing etc..
I guess I'm going to be the one detractor here because I'm waiting to see what Nintendo has in store with the Revolution. I'll admit it'll prolly be just another shitty gimmick but I'd like to hope they might get their heads out of their asses. The lack of DVD functionality doesn't matter to me since I already own five different devices that play DVD's. Rumor has it they're unveiling at the Tokyo Game Show later this month.
[Scroll for cliffs if you're not a techie]
Nintendo will have their work cut out for them if they go the emulation route. The ATi Flipper GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) is VERY hard to emulate, and the main chip requires A LOT of horsepower to emulate, depending on platform.
From what I've heard it's the hardest console to emulate since the Sega Saturn - which has 8 processors. There has never been a decent Saturn emulator, not even Sega could make a perfect one, and likewise for the GameCube. The GameCube may be easy to program but it's a total bitch to emulate on a PC. On a Mac it's significantly easier.
Surprisingly, the best GameCube emulator for the PC is better than the XBox or PS2 hardware, but that's only because more programmers are working on it. Very few are working on the PS2/XBox emulators. There are many good Dreamcast emulators but since the Dreamcast uses off the shelf parts it's pretty much a given. And even though the XBox is nothing but a PC, ironically it's nowhere near achieving "good" emulation.
CLIFFS: The GameCube WILL be hard to emulate. There WILL be compatability issues, there WILL be graphical glitches, and there WILL be lockups if Nintendo does not add regular GameCube hardware into the Revolution. And since it may be a one-chip GameCube to cut costs, instead a full blown GameCube circuit board, you can expect problems as well. Anyone remember the Genesis 3 (http://www.vidgame.net/SEGA/GEN3.html)? 'Twas a flaming piece of shit. Even Sonic 3 and Knuckles had graphical problems - but Sega didn't design it, Majesco did.
sideshow_bob
09-05-2005, 11:42 PM
I wasn't talking about Nintendo emulating, I was talking about the 360 being backwards compatible w/the X-box. As far as Nintendo is concerned they're going to make a drive that plays both Gamecube discs and whatever the Revolution is going to use.
_Kitana_
09-06-2005, 12:12 AM
Hehe Nintedo has an untapped market. It is made for markets outside america and America's youth.
It will be intresting to see the nintedo revolution. I am not going to bad mouth a system before I can see what it can do. I am happy with my gamecube and NDS.
Some Awesoem games for NDS like "feel the magic"
We sell gamecubes, presales for gameboy micro and nintedo games just as much as x-box and playstation.
Fire_ze_Missles
09-06-2005, 12:34 AM
A couple of days ago, this (http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/04/2152242&tid=233&tid=10) popped up on /. about the potential drive of the PS3, and potential price increase.
Descent
09-06-2005, 12:07 PM
A couple of days ago, this (http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/04/2152242&tid=233&tid=10) popped up on /. about the potential drive of the PS3, and potential price increase.
http://i2.cashmoneyuploads.com/img/land_ho238.jpg (http://www.cashmoneyuploads.com/)
Sony's fucked. For $600 I'd rather build a new computer.