WTF is in Area 51? [Archive]

angrywelshman

10-01-2005, 11:01 PM

I know Area 51 exists, call me a skeptic or not. You can find Area 51 on maps.google if you search for Rachel, Nevada, then scroll to the left until you see a dried lake bed.

Aside from that, what do you guys think is in there? Dissected aliens? Things that defy laws of physics? Mutants? Or is it just a huge toxic waste dump that acts as a cover-up for something on an even bigger scale?

Damn, if I didn't value my life I'd get some desert camoflauge(sp?) and hop the fence myself. I've seen a ton of these channels about A-51 and how people died because of radiation. A man died who worked at A-51, and while his family sued the gov't and military, the case was dismissed. The reason? Apparently he didn't exist. And neither did the place in which he was killed.

Unforgiven

10-01-2005, 11:13 PM

Black Mesa :happysad:

Descent

10-01-2005, 11:17 PM

Area-51 is just a place where prototype aircraft are tested.

They did perform open-pit nuclear waste burns there, and workers died of poisoning but that's the oddest thing they've ever done.

Civilians have dug up numerous wrecked aircraft on the outskrits of it, and the U.S. government has never actually cared. There was a successful hunt for the prototype Stealth Bomber a few years back, I believe it was called the Sky Blue.

In fact, the U.S. Government ended up recreating the prototype for an air museum. It looks rather beautiful, like a jumbo jet with a "smiley face" intake below the cockpit.

It's not illegal to dig up some of the wreckage - Area 51 has run out of burial space and the government has begun burying failed aircraft on what are technically civilian territory.

The rumors of UFO's are unfounded, they are prototype jet propulsion systems on aircraft and any look at leaked civilian footage can tell you that.

gehtfuct

10-01-2005, 11:40 PM

Looky here. Descent knows of something other than Asian cartoon porn and crappy game consoles.

I'm not saying that Area 51 has aliens sitting around eating pizza and giving driving lessons. But I can guarantee that you'll never really know what's going on. They could hold an open house tour and still not show you shit. All the public will ever know, is what they want you to know. For the most part, it's government tinkering happening there. And you'll keep your attention focused in that direction. Area 51 for the most part is a distraction. God forbid you'd ever be able to look into the mountains to see what was really going on.

Do you really think the most powerful government in the world is going to conduct top secret experiments where any gimp can observe with a ten dollar pair of binoculars? Sure you do. Keep watching.

void

10-01-2005, 11:47 PM

Do you really think the most powerful government in the world is going to conduct top secret experiments where any gimp can observe with a ten dollar pair of binoculars? Sure you do. Keep watching.

that made me think.. i bet there is an area 51 in china too.. for the same reasons.. research and 'greys' shit.. big place china, lots of nooks and crannies..

gehtfuct

10-01-2005, 11:55 PM

that made me think.. i bet there is an area 51 in china too.. for the same reasons.. research and 'greys' shit.. big place china, lots of nooks and crannies..
Nope. The U.S. has a patent pending on Area 51.
Besides...we all know the U.S. is the only Government that does top secret research. :oddgrin:

Sometimes I really haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.
Imagine that.

Boycott

10-02-2005, 01:37 AM

I bet it's not even above-ground... I mean, most of the facility is probably all underground stuff...

I recall something about a huge bomb shelter that was made underground to look like outside - does anyone know where that is? <-- that part was just out of curiosity... Roughly related to my "underground" theory

Descent

10-02-2005, 01:54 AM

Looky here. Descent knows of something other than Asian cartoon porn and crappy game consoles.

Trust me, my know-it-all behavior can get on my friend's nerves sometimes.

Both a blessing and a curse. I choose not to display it here because I don't actually give a shit.

Icarus

10-02-2005, 02:03 AM

Descent

10-02-2005, 02:12 AM

Area 51 is surrounded by one of the, if not the, most comprehensive security system in the world.

It has underground vibration and infrared detectors. It has audio/visual observation everywhere. Guards are authorized to shoot to kill any trespassers.

They're hiding something. Whether they're hiding it in Area 51 or like Geht said they're distracting you, they're hiding something.

Yeah, but I personally wouldn't worry about it. We couldn't get away with civilian weapons testing. It would be used to kill "them" anyway.

Besides, like I said, Area 51 also entends onto non-government property and there is zero security there. There's nothing but buried airplane trash heaps.

And civilian satellite photos show nothing but bunkers and hangers and tents "in camo."

Not to say there isn't anything under that, but it would be rather fucking hard to transport, say, a prototype jet to the runway judging from the pictures.

And if it is a "combat spaceship," I'm sure anyone who's played the FreeSpace series of space combat sims will agree with me that in 2005, the thing would suck absolute ass. I mean, in the year 2335 your spacecraft, which are the cream of the crop, stand no chance against an unknown alien encounter and almost your whole squad is wiped out, and enemy cruisers around you are taken out in seconds.

Bottom line is there's always something better than us, and with what we have today, why bother trying at all?

And if it is aliens (Nigga please) under there that would be a dumb fucking idea, who knows how their government would react to a race of people who stole their men? I mean, we still use bullets, and if they could get here from where they are they could easily use wormholes (Which are somewhat feasible but difficult), "hyperspace" (LOL as if), and lasers to kill us, Mini-Me not included.

Icarus

10-02-2005, 02:16 AM

I can tell Descent replied to my post, but he's on ignore :happysad:

Descent

10-02-2005, 02:20 AM

I can tell Descent replied to my post, but he's on ignore :happysad:

If you want to start shit, do it in B&T. I know you won't read this, but hopefully you'll click the little "VIEW BUTTON."

YUCK FOU!!!

10-02-2005, 04:09 AM

Black Mesa :happysad:
ahh yes, halflife,

i was watching something about it, its a registered military base, and its pretty much ruled as is nazi germany, shoot ask questions later.....jail without trial...all that good shit.

one thing that should get you thinking on the right track, the united states denied claims at first of their oddly shaped stealth bomber even existing, but is now out in the open, there have also been rumors of a hypersonic aircraft. only feasable due to its perfect triangular shape....there is something going on there, i wouldnt say it has much to do with aliens, but it will definately show that even though people sceptisise about america being the most powerful nation in 50 years, area 51 is definately there for if they're backed into a corner. theyed bust out the shit

Darklight

10-02-2005, 08:04 AM

really one of the most recent things I heard about area 51, is its abandoned... remember seeing something on it where a group went strait up to one of the security shacks to find no one there... you know one of those shacks that got a sign near it "deadly force authorized"... sposedly the base was so well known, they up and moved...

Fuxed

10-02-2005, 12:11 PM

Descent

10-02-2005, 11:11 PM

Think about this... You can't just "up and move" a millitary base. It's there, and they won't leave... Why? It's one of the most desolate places we have, perfect for testing whatever the fuck it is they do there... And plus, to move an ENTIRE millitary base, you would need several large convoys to get all your shit from point A to point B, and we would have seen those.

My opinion on Area 51, it's where 'A Night In Paris' and similar pornographies were filmed.

Area 51 = top secret, so don't worry about it, because you won't ever know what it is...

As the great Bush would say: "Don't learn too much, knowledge is terrorism!"

If we ever are attacked by aliens, the Chinese, or killer whales that jizz bullets, you can be damn well sure that we will know what they are making there.

And none of that will ever happen in our lifetimes, besides the possibility of the Chinese but their rise to power is more along the lines of economics.

And anyway, I remember reading about the hypersonic jets waaaaaaay back in 1999. They are nothing new - they've been having trouble with thermal designs - the initial prototypes had a glass cockpit and failed miserably, they melted likes ants under a magnifying glass.

The jets have been dubbed "HyperX" jets. And as a little bit of information, they canned the project. Simply put, they sucked.

If you design a jet that travels at that speed, you need weapons capable of operating at that speed. The latter just couldn't be done, and the former, while done, was having serious issues.

RedOctober

10-03-2005, 11:18 AM

I guess there is nothing in Area 51 anymore, because the USA has a far better experimental facility in Iraq already.

If you want to know what is devellopped there..
Ask yourself.. What does the USA army need?

The Airforce doesn't seem to need anything new. B52 is still doing fine to throw a weagonload of bombs and missiles. The stealth planes at night, and the choppers for the dirty work.

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New is what we could call urban warfare. City guerrilla.
Israel shows how to do it.
America creating a "miracle weapon" would be bullshit.

The most sensible thing would be to build a Roman Legion out of Robocops.. :rolleyes:

BklynCannonball

10-03-2005, 11:47 AM

If you want to start shit, do it in B&T. I know you won't read this, but hopefully you'll click the little "VIEW BUTTON."

lol Descent, leave the man alone. You're infamous for "starting shit" on B&T and bailing.

As far as Area 51 I'm sure other countries have similar test areas, if not, they're paying a lot of money to get in on ours. As far as aliens, Descent I think you should broaden your alien scope a little. Aliens can be anything, take any shape or form. And who knows if they're even hostile, who says they think like us anyway, with battlecrafts and wars against other planets?

There's a lot we don't know. A lot our government doesn't tell us. And it's not just Area 51 kids. But we know this already.

Mini G

10-03-2005, 12:14 PM

i think we should get a super hacker n hack into there secret files n see what they are doing... just a thought

BklynCannonball

10-03-2005, 01:33 PM

And then they will find you and have you disappear.

I Hate The FCC

10-03-2005, 03:26 PM

And then they will find you and have you disappear.
It would seem as if they already did make her disappear. http://forums.wtf.com/images/smilies/happysad.gif

dookie

10-03-2005, 04:28 PM

i'm quite sure you'll find everything you need to know right here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51)

YUCK FOU!!!

10-03-2005, 09:08 PM

you know, i think i would be better off ignoring descent....

angrywelshman

10-03-2005, 10:40 PM

Good posts guys, if any of u are interested, look up the testimonials of Bob Lazaar. I think they are partly BS, however he has some points about some of the base being within the cliffs in Nevada, not on the outside.

Farceur

10-04-2005, 09:58 PM

Meh, flat out i'd stop worrying baout it, cus honestly, if area-51 exists...its unlikley its the only place where secret government testing is going on...so drop it, we'll never really know 100% of the governments doings, and its going to stay that way.

RageAgainst

10-04-2005, 10:12 PM

Military research - Hi-tech weapons research. That's all there is to it. What, you think there's Aliens in there? lopples.

Descent

10-04-2005, 11:13 PM

lol Descent, leave the man alone. You're infamous for "starting shit" on B&T and bailing.

As far as Area 51 I'm sure other countries have similar test areas, if not, they're paying a lot of money to get in on ours. As far as aliens, Descent I think you should broaden your alien scope a little. Aliens can be anything, take any shape or form. And who knows if they're even hostile, who says they think like us anyway, with battlecrafts and wars against other planets?

There's a lot we don't know. A lot our government doesn't tell us. And it's not just Area 51 kids. But we know this already.

Listen, not trying to be a "gamefag" here, I've beaten FreeSpace 1&2 over ten times each, and trust me, the LAST thing you want to do is do anything with another race, be it trade, war, or even communication without knowing them first, and THAT'S the underlying message of the game, among the fifty-billion other political messages it carries.

Lemme put it this way - I no longer view the universe as a peaceful place of bunnies and pretty undiscovered planets. I view it as a fucking warzone and I am absolute-fucking-lutely against any attempt at alien contact at this time.

Space is nothing but a huge battlefield where trillions of intelligent beings die everyday - not in wars. Interplanetary genocide is much more feasible.

Just think about it - in the game, we were attacked by a race we called "Shivans," and although their true motives were unknown, it was pretty clear we were targeted because we were a war-like race, and we fight everything that pisses us off.

At the time we were at war with the Vasudans over unknown, petty bullshit.

And as it turns out, every civilization is built on top of another long-dead one. Just like it is on Earth, from the Neolithic era on, you're on something that's bulldozed.

And in FreeSpace the same holds true for planets, and the instant you start flaunting violent shit in space "your time has come" and you better be destroyed by the Shivans so another race can have the chance to flourish, because humans are by nature shitty creatures and we'd exploit the weaker races.

It may sound creepy, but I don't want to get into the whole "Alien contact will help us" vs. "harm us" debate.

Think of imperialization in Africa in the 1800's and 1900's and you'll see my point.

UberSkippy

10-05-2005, 12:32 AM

Listen, not trying to be a "gamefag" here, I've beaten FreeSpace 1&2 over ten times each, and trust me, the LAST thing you want to do is do anything with another race, be it trade, war, or even communication without knowing them first, and THAT'S the underlying message of the game, among the fifty-billion other political messages it carries.

Other stuff that certainly makes me sound like a gamefag. (Whatever the hell that is.)

Ok, you do realize that Freespace 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8...100,00,000 are games right? And as games they have zero basis in reality. The "problems" you encountered in them are simply figments of a game designers imagination.

To play a game and let it so drastically influence your views in real life is more that just a little bit frightening. And to look at this game and assume that what they've depicted is real would be like seeing Barney on TV and deciding that Purple Dinosaurs that danced around with kids are factual creatures.

In other words: IT'S A GAME. GAME. For fun and entertainment. Not for shaping your world (or other world in this case) views on anything. Honestly, if you have this much trouble seperating reality from the TV screen your folks should take ALL of your electronic devices away.

And as far as the rest of this conversation goes: if you think area 51 is strange you just wait until you hear about area 75. They have pink elephants and purple dinosaurs there. And war llamas that shoot lazers out of their butts. The ninja camel is cool too. But my favorite was a Delorian with a Mr. Fusion strapped to it's ass...

RageAgainst

10-05-2005, 02:10 AM

Ok, you do realize that Freespace 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8...100,00,000 are games right? And as games they have zero basis in reality. The "problems" you encountered in them are simply figments of a game designers imagination.

To play a game and let it so drastically influence your views in real life is more that just a little bit frightening. And to look at this game and assume that what they've depicted is real would be like seeing Barney on TV and deciding that Purple Dinosaurs that danced around with kids are factual creatures.

In other words: IT'S A GAME. GAME. For fun and entertainment. Not for shaping your world (or other world in this case) views on anything. Honestly, if you have this much trouble seperating reality from the TV screen your folks should take ALL of your electronic devices away.

And as far as the rest of this conversation goes: if you think area 51 is strange you just wait until you hear about area 75. They have pink elephants and purple dinosaurs there. And war llamas that shoot lazers out of their butts. The ninja camel is cool too. But my favorite was a Delorian with a Mr. Fusion strapped to it's ass...

ha ha harr, he said folks.

JLXC

10-05-2005, 06:07 AM

Like many of the above I think that Area 51 may have been used at one time for all kinds of secret stuff, they've long since used it simply as a smoke screen and moved the real research elsewhere.

Unlike many I do believe that alien Tech is here on Earth, and that the "aliens" have visited Earth for some time. I believe so based on many UFO sightings in my life, and some talk to military people while in the military. I believe the govt has done a fabulous job shit screening this from the public, and the smear campaign, and the demonization of the people who claim UFO and aliens encounters, has done it's job perfectly. Even high ranking military folks who have testified in court have been laughed out, what a great job. Believing in Aliens on Earth is equated to wearing tinfoil hats, and that pretty much is the best cover ever, for the truth.

There are areas of Area 51 that have deep underground areas, they may have some stuff there, but not near the surface. Hell they could be linked with underground railways to the "real" bases where they mess with this shit.

YUCK FOU!!!

10-05-2005, 06:17 AM

so your saying the M.I.B. do exist?

JLXC

10-05-2005, 06:33 AM

so your saying the M.I.B. do exist?

Huh? That's like taking what I said and saying "So you think E.T. is real? Does his finger glow?"

I don't think anything like the movie M.I.B. exists, I think it's not nearly as pretty as all that. I think it's mostly corporate run, so like M.I.B. the govt involvement at this point is limited, though the military is not out of the loop entirely. Mostly it's the ruling elite of not only America, but the world. That's as close to M.I.B. as it gets, though it wouldn't surprise me if they do have "clean up squads" just in case. I've noticed that it's gotten smoother over the years, most people wont report in public any experience they have had with aliens or anything weird for that matter. They wouldn't want to be labeled a kook!

Hell that giant V flew over Arizona and was even video taped and put on the news, and they launched some flares, then the head honcho of Arizona made fun of the very idea and it worked well. That's some pretty good smearing right there. "No! You did not see what you saw!" There's all kinds of video from Mexico and other countries, and nobody even gives a shit, because until the govt says so, many people wont even believe their own eyes. Sad but true.

I Hate The FCC

10-05-2005, 06:36 AM

pyrodude

10-05-2005, 06:46 AM

Aliens do exist. Think about it. There are more stars than there are grains of sand on the Earth. I think the real question is whether they have visited us or not. If they can fly across the galaxy, I doubt that they would care about anything we have.

On the topic of videos, the video shot by the Mexican airforce is pretty hard to explain.

JLXC

10-05-2005, 06:51 AM

The question is why would Aliens want to help or even visit us? We're a species that kills its own kind for stupid shit such as racism, sexism, and a bunch of other dumb shit. We say that if it can't be explained, it's god!

If I were an Alien I'd stay far away from Earth. :happysad:

I agree with you in that I'd stay away. For all we know the aliens "kick started" life on earth, or interefered with evolution. Maybe they're just here to study primitive races? Maybe there is a show like in south parth "Earth!" where the aliens just laugh at us? Maybe a million things, I don't have those answers, I haven't actually had conversations with aliens. :)

BklynCannonball

10-05-2005, 09:02 AM

Listen, not trying to be a "gamefag" here, I've beaten FreeSpace 1&2 over ten times each, and trust me, the LAST thing you want to do is do anything with another race, be it trade, war, or even communication without knowing them first, and THAT'S the underlying message of the game, among the fifty-billion other political messages it carries.

Lemme put it this way - I no longer view the universe as a peaceful place of bunnies and pretty undiscovered planets. I view it as a fucking warzone and I am absolute-fucking-lutely against any attempt at alien contact at this time.

Space is nothing but a huge battlefield where trillions of intelligent beings die everyday - not in wars. Interplanetary genocide is much more feasible.

Just think about it - in the game, we were attacked by a race we called "Shivans," and although their true motives were unknown, it was pretty clear we were targeted because we were a war-like race, and we fight everything that pisses us off.

At the time we were at war with the Vasudans over unknown, petty bullshit.

And as it turns out, every civilization is built on top of another long-dead one. Just like it is on Earth, from the Neolithic era on, you're on something that's bulldozed.

And in FreeSpace the same holds true for planets, and the instant you start flaunting violent shit in space "your time has come" and you better be destroyed by the Shivans so another race can have the chance to flourish, because humans are by nature shitty creatures and we'd exploit the weaker races.

It may sound creepy, but I don't want to get into the whole "Alien contact will help us" vs. "harm us" debate.

Think of imperialization in Africa in the 1800's and 1900's and you'll see my point.

Descent hon, you are such a dork!

I swear to God, PM me your home address, I'm buying you a hooker. I'm sick of this shit. I know you like Asians, I'll get you a sweet Asian baby doll that'll f&#k yer brains out, make you a man.

Descent

10-05-2005, 04:39 PM

Descent hon, you are such a dork!

I swear to God, PM me your home address, I'm buying you a hooker. I'm sick of this shit. I know you like Asians, I'll get you a sweet Asian baby doll that'll f&#k yer brains out, make you a man.

That won't be necessary...You may live half an hour from me, but I still don't need a hooker.

Besides, the last thing I want is an STD :hurl:.

And a little heads up - FreeSpace is the antichrist of NASA's ideals. It's perfect for a debate.

Once again, think of African Imperialization, because with Aliens we could be enslaved one-hundredfold more easy.

If it were a book, you SURELY wouldn't call me a fag, but oh, it's a game, I have no life, etc. etc. who gives a fuck? Same shit, different presentation.

Since the fuck when have philisophical messages in a game become "not legit," wheras numerous crappy authors such as K.A. Applegate, "The Animorphs Shithead," are legit?

UberSkippy

10-05-2005, 05:02 PM

And a little heads up - FreeSpace is the antichrist of NASA's ideals. It's perfect for a debate.

Once again, think of African Imperialization, because with Aliens we could be enslaved one-hundredfold more easy.

If it were a book, you SURELY wouldn't call me a fag, but oh, it's a game, I have no life, etc. etc. who gives a fuck? Same shit, different presentation.

Since the fuck when have philisophical messages in a game become "not legit," wheras numerous crappy authors such as K.A. Applegate, "The Animorphs Shithead," are legit?

You're the one that said "gamerfag". I just parroted it back.

I never said that the philosophy wasn't any more or less valid than a book. I merely pointed out that it is not REAL and that perhaps forming your entire perspective on the topic based on them is not a very good idea.

Sure, we have to worry about being enslaved. That or maybe they're just really nice hot alien chicks that would bone the hell out of a 17 year old with a Sega addiction.

Oddly enough both theories are equally likely.

Personally if I was going to let a book be the basis of my guestimation of what other cultures would be like I'd go with the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy's theory: it's as fucked up out there as it is down here.

I Hate The FCC

10-05-2005, 05:14 PM

I agree with you in that I'd stay away. For all we know the aliens "kick started" life on earth, or interefered with evolution. Maybe they're just here to study primitive races? Maybe there is a show like in south parth "Earth!" where the aliens just laugh at us? Maybe a million things, I don't have those answers, I haven't actually had conversations with aliens. :)
I think I saw some guy on some show once say that Aliens would just be getting signals from Nazi Germany and shit that happened in WW2 since the television waves, or whatever they're called, would just be getting out in deep space. :happysad:

UberSkippy

10-05-2005, 06:23 PM

I think I saw some guy on some show once say that Aliens would just be getting signals from Nazi Germany and shit that happened in WW2 since the television waves, or whatever they're called, would just be getting out in deep space. :happysad:

Yeah but that was a while back. By now they're probably getting Bewitched and Leave it to Beaver. They'd still hate us.

mmm...cheese

10-05-2005, 06:58 PM

YUCK FOU!!!

10-05-2005, 10:01 PM

Huh? That's like taking what I said and saying "So you think E.T. is real? Does his finger glow?"

I don't think anything like the movie M.I.B. exists, I think it's not nearly as pretty as all that. I think it's mostly corporate run, so like M.I.B. the govt involvement at this point is limited, though the military is not out of the loop entirely. Mostly it's the ruling elite of not only America, but the world. That's as close to M.I.B. as it gets, though it wouldn't surprise me if they do have "clean up squads" just in case. I've noticed that it's gotten smoother over the years, most people wont report in public any experience they have had with aliens or anything weird for that matter. They wouldn't want to be labeled a kook!

Hell that giant V flew over Arizona and was even video taped and put on the news, and they launched some flares, then the head honcho of Arizona made fun of the very idea and it worked well. That's some pretty good smearing right there. "No! You did not see what you saw!" There's all kinds of video from Mexico and other countries, and nobody even gives a shit, because until the govt says so, many people wont even believe their own eyes. Sad but true.

It was a joke son, but i guess your right, but i prefer it that way, less sceptics more common sense

RageAgainst

10-05-2005, 10:15 PM

Area 51 is mostly underground. But for whatever's on top, google earth :thumbsup:
north of las vegas, around groom lake.

blk990

10-05-2005, 10:49 PM

Area 51 is mostly underground. But for whatever's on top, google earth :thumbsup:
north of las vegas, around groom lake.

There aren't any existing satellite pictures of area 51 available to the public, but I think that something is going on there. It could be testing of military planes, horrible experiements, or just whatever this government of ours likes to do. I don't think it is aliens, but something top secret. Why else would they keep it a secret?

RageAgainst

10-06-2005, 01:02 AM

There aren't any existing satellite pictures of area 51 available to the public

negative.
google earth. near groom lake, north of las vegas. See that airplane landing zone?

edit: 37degrees,14 minutes N and 115degrees,48 minutes W

BklynCannonball

10-06-2005, 09:26 AM

That won't be necessary...You may live half an hour from me, but I still don't need a hooker.

Besides, the last thing I want is an STD :hurl:.

It's that kinda puritanical thinking that's gonna keep you a virgin 'til/if you're married.

UberSkippy

10-06-2005, 10:27 AM

It's that kinda puritanical thinking that's gonna keep you a virgin 'til/if you're married.

Feel free to send me a hooker. I'm not a puritan.

BklynCannonball

10-06-2005, 10:28 AM

I'm trying to do WTF.com a service. Descent really really really REALLY needs to get laid.

RageAgainst

10-06-2005, 11:46 AM

I'm trying to do WTF.com a service. Descent really really really REALLY needs to get laid.

Descent getting laid, that's kindof a fringe theory.

void

10-06-2005, 12:02 PM

if descent gives himself a titwank does that count as getting laid?

BklynCannonball

10-06-2005, 01:22 PM

Nope. It's a little more complex than that.

dirtlover

10-07-2005, 02:21 AM

i think we should get a super hacker n hack into there secret files n see what they are doing... just a thought
better: All wtf:ers (at least those that want to suicide etc etc) get guns and attack the whole place. I doubt we would find out anything(just because you probably would need half the chinese army to get into that place), but at least we'd make it to the news (just need a live translation, cos if someone records something then the recordings will dissapear);)