linux is driving me nuts!

[betrayed]

i have the general idea of how to work linux but whenever i try to do it .. like run something, it never works! i followed aim RPM instructions exactly yet AIM does not show up.. anyone want to lend a helping hand?

[betrayed]

WTF is wrong with linux i was told it was better, in the past half hour it has frozen 20 times, and I BARELY was able to get to wtf.com.. IM GOING TO FUCKING KILL SOMEONE THIS IS SO FUCKING FRUSTRATING IT WONT LET ME DO ANYTHING ANY PROGRAM I TRY TO RUN DOESNT LOAD THE THING JAMS UP SO MUCH THAT IT DOESNT LET ME MOVE THE GOD DAMN MOUSE!!!!!!!!!!! :sword: :sword: :sword: :sword: :sword:

[dustinzgirl]

i keep wanting to try it out, once i get a secondary harddrive to partition, just incase......so, i have no experience with it, but let me know how it works out for you.

[deus_ex_machina]

i know this is off topic but dustinzgirl- im chatching up to you in posts! youd better post more! :D any ways, maybe call the company and ask for some money or something

[junglizm]

i have the general idea of how to work linux but whenever i try to do it .. like run something, it never works! i followed aim RPM instructions exactly yet AIM does not show up.. anyone want to lend a helping hand?

get rpm-apt & synaptic it makes installing rpm's fairly simply, for beginners. http://freshrpms.net/apt/ gaim would prob work better for linux also. i've found the real aim client crashed alot (shittty port imo)

apt..one of the many reasons i love debian:)

[Hypertron]

WTF is wrong with linux i was told it was better, in the past half hour it has frozen 20 times, and I BARELY was able to get to wtf.com.. IM GOING TO FUCKING KILL SOMEONE THIS IS SO FUCKING FRUSTRATING IT WONT LET ME DO ANYTHING ANY PROGRAM I TRY TO RUN DOESNT LOAD THE THING JAMS UP SO MUCH THAT IT DOESNT LET ME MOVE THE GOD DAMN MOUSE!!!!!!!!!!! :sword: :sword: :sword: :sword: :sword:

Linux is better, you just have to know how to use it, what version do you have, red hat, fedora, suse, gentoo, or FreeBSD, theres a few more but those are the most popular, gentoo is the hardest to work by far, if your a beginner with linux i would suggest that you go with red had and go to BAM(books a million) and buy the Red Hat Linux 9 Bible...that should help ya, and yeah don't use AIM in linux use gaim, or kopete

[junglizm]

since he's having problems with rpm's (red hat package manager) you can rule our gentoo, since it uses emerge similar to debian's apt or bsd's port system. since bsd isn't linux, but a clone of Berkeley unix, you can also rule that out. debian and gentoo probrably run neck in neck as far as learning curve, but imo debian is a much more mature distro. true you compile gentoo from source via tarballs, but you can do this with debian as well (any distro for that matter). gentoo just lacks certain key tools i've come to love about debian, apt & pseudo being only 2. i like bsd alot myself, it's more stable straight out of the box, the only think i dislike about it is the lack of procfs. personally i'd suggest mandrake for a beginner.

[betrayed]

Yeah I have redhat and I can't figure out how to install anything, I downloaded LIMEWIRE and its all just a text thing.. I think I may be fucked here maybe I should go back to xp..

I dont know how to uninstall stuff either..! :sword:

this stupid fucking thing freezes all the time .. it just STOPS what its doing

did i mention mozilla takes FOREVER?!

[Descent]

What the fuck...

What version of Red Hat are you running? And what model Thinkpad do you have?

You should run Red hate 9 or Fedora if you have a Thinkpad 600 series...Other versions of Linux run like shit on those machines. I know, I used to have one. I could never get Mandrake working on it...

Also, it sounds to me like you are having hardware problems. Linux just doesn't freeze up like that. Some of the older Thinkpads like the 600 series have flaky APM (Advanced Power Management) support in their BIOS, which pisses some versions of Linux off. The older Pentium 2 Thinkpads are notorious for this.

If I were you, I would suggest loading on Red Hat Fedora. That version will run great on your Thinkpad.

[junglizm]

i find it easier to install source, most gnu packages install with:
"./configure && make && make install"

imo it's alot easier to install from command line. if you're having trouble finding something you've installed look in you're user folder /home/username in redhat i believe. alot of times packages won't add the program to the kde or gnome menu's. you can always use "rpm -Uvh filename.rpm" to install rpms from console. red hat is one of those distros where everything is different, so if that doesn't work try "rpmbuild --rebuild filename.src.rpm"(if it's a source rpm) "rpm -e filename" uninstalls. grab those two packages i mentioned rpm-apt & synaptic, they'll make your life alot easier. in my experience mozilla isn't a great browser in linux, try firefox, opera, or konquerer if you're running kde. hmm the freezing could bee alot of things, how much ram do you have? did you creat a swap partition? if it's a slower computer redhat may just be too much for it. there are different versions of red hat, compiled for different processors ie i586 i686 etc, you may have a version compiled for a faster processor class.

^^ of course remove the quotation marks from the commands ;)

[betrayed]

Yeah this stuff is so confusing to me, I have a Pentium 3 thinkpad.. Its a couple years old..

[junglizm]

nm, looks like red hat is all compiles for i386.

on a p3 i'd look at maybe running something other than kde/gnome maybe icewm of fluxbox. you can also try & disable some of the graphical enhancements.

[betrayed]

mmm and how do you do that? and how do you deinstall things? AND WHY does it keeps updating the same thing over and over, I'll have updated it then in the next hour the same thing needs to be updated.. I think I've updated it about one hundred times, that and whenever its doing something i can barely move my mouse then it just freezes.. reallllllly starting to piss me off...

even when im not doing anything it makes that sound like the computers thinking and my mouse freezes and FUCKING JESUS FUCKING CHRIST i want to kill something NOTHING WORKS.. I'm going back to xp linux sucks my ass

[voiceofreason]

i have the general idea of how to work linux but whenever i try to do it .. like run something, it never works! i followed aim RPM instructions exactly yet AIM does not show up.. anyone want to lend a helping hand?
This doesn't belong in Issues, take it to the "I'm a Stupid Idiot" Forum...

[Paul]

cmon now
rpms are by far the easiest install process you can deal with
up2date, yum, apt, all make it cake!
maybe if you post some specific errors you are getting (aside from freezing up since i agree that thats most likely hardware related) we can try to help you out :)

[betrayed]

I can DO all the rpm stuff, It takes me probably a little longer than most people cause I just started using redhat, but its not that that im frustrated over..

1. It always freezes
2. Randomly stops what its doing
3. Likes to restart without telling me
4. Mouse glitches up and doesn't move
5. Updates the same file then says it isn't updated
6. Takes FOREVER to do anything

I think its my laptop doesn't have certain memory parts to let linux do its job..

This doesn't belong in Issues, take it to the "I'm a Stupid Idiot" Forum...

Umm, fuck you, why don't you actually READ what was going wrong, I only have a couple problems with BIN files but thats it, retard.

[Descent]

Dude...THAT is a hardware problem. Your laptop may have bad memory.

I would suggest downloading the bootable CD version of memtest86. Leave it on for a few hours, and see if you get any read/write errors.

[Broken]

cmon now
rpms are by far the easiest install process you can deal with
up2date, yum, apt, all make it cake!
maybe if you post some specific errors you are getting (aside from freezing up since i agree that thats most likely hardware related) we can try to help you out :)
I am glad you said it...Geezus

[betrayed]

Ok so I'm trying to install windows 98 on the thinkpad so I can use the XP software upgrade.. I enter the system bios in the beginning and it is enabled that I can boot from CD-ROM.. Whenever I choose the option to boot from CD-ROM and start windows 98 setup rather than boot from hard-drive (to start redhat) at the black startup screen, it just freezes.. Anyone know a method on installing a different OS over linux?..

[stoj]

Try booting from floppy

[BRiT]

You really should run the diagnostic tools for your laptop/computer. At the very least, try out memtest86 (http://memtest86.com/), a standalone memory test program. If you get ANY errors when running this, at the very least, your memory timings in bios are at fault, and most of the time, your memory is bad.

[betrayed]

tight, i put in the windows xp upgrade and it said i needed windows 98 or something like that so put in that cd so its like ok please put xp back in and i did and it formatted for me..

WARNING, IF YOU HAVE A THINKPAD, DON'T GET REDHAT!! arghh

[Descent]

Um, all Thinkpads that support Linux support Red Hat. Red Hat ran great on my old Thinkpad 600E.

[Zickddot]

i never needed to use linux for anything, as far as im conserned, its a waste of my time so heres the real question why do u need it :question: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Broken]

i never needed to use linux for anything, as far as im conserned, its a waste of my time so heres the real question why do u need it :question: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yeah, and what's up with Books and reading.. Why the hell would you read a book that someone wasn't forcing you to d so, or isn't the #1 on the Bestsellers..

Follow the bouncing ball~

[junglizm]

i never needed to use linux for anything, as far as im conserned, its a waste of my time so heres the real question why do u need it :question: :confused: :confused: :confused:

well 1st off linux isn't for everyone. it has a steep learning curve and probrably won't meet the average users expectations from an OS as far as ease of use and convenienve. linux was created to be a free clone of a the proprietary UNIX OS. it's released under an open source liscense, meaning it's 100% free and anyone with the proper knowledge can work on it's development. Linux is ditributed with it's source code so even if you don't choose to help the linux project you are still able to make modifications where you see fit. Linux has proven itself as the most stable os for servers, so it's highly reguarded in the busisness world. linux make great free servers, you might be surprised that most of the internet is running on some flavor of linux or a unix like OS. open source is more geared towards the users satisfaction with the product than how much money a coprporation can make off of one. opensource apps are created by users for users, users can implement features they would use themselves with out having to wait for a big company to decide they need the feature. most people learn linux for a challenge, or just to use something different, or to be free of microsoft products. personally i learned it for a challenge and a distaste of microsoft. linux admins/technitians are well reguarded in the busisness world and usually bring a higher salarie than their microsoft counterparts. personally i started playing with linux when i was 13 or 14, now i'm happy i did, it's opened up alot of opportunities for me in my career. hope that explained a few things for you.

[ron]

Ok so I'm trying to install windows 98 on the thinkpad so I can use the XP software upgrade.. I enter the system bios in the beginning and it is enabled that I can boot from CD-ROM.. Whenever I choose the option to boot from CD-ROM and start windows 98 setup rather than boot from hard-drive (to start redhat) at the black startup screen, it just freezes.. Anyone know a method on installing a different OS over linux?..Boot with a Win98 (or whatever) floppy and do this:

fdisk /mbr

Linux ran beautifully on my Thinkpad 770. It was old and I've run RedHat, SuSE, and Slackware on it without issue.

[betrayed]

This is such an old issue...

[ron]

This is such an old issue...Gosh yes, but I've been away for a while. Fuck you. Just trying to help.

[fuck_you]

what kind of linux is it? is it redhat? there are versions that can allow you to return to windows if youd like check out www.linux.org and you can do a search of what ever type youd like , im asuming you have a versiont hat was prolly writen by a novice programmer in his spare time linux can acually be A LOT easier and better then windows when i had it ,it was great - be sure to get one that is populer the smaller ones are filled with glitches. thanx

[betrayed]

Gosh yes, but I've been away for a while. Fuck you. Just trying to help.
Haha thank you though for the input but I've long re-installed xp..

[junglizm]

what kind of linux is it? is it redhat? there are versions that can allow you to return to windows if youd like check out www.linux.org and you can do a search of what ever type youd like , im asuming you have a versiont hat was prolly writen by a novice programmer in his spare time linux can acually be A LOT easier and better then windows when i had it ,it was great - be sure to get one that is populer the smaller ones are filled with glitches. thanx
Let me guess; after all your ignorant posts you expect us to believe you're some sort of linux guru? Novice programmers don't write distrubutions, nor are distros usually written by one person. Linux often isn't easier than windows, although you get used to the differences, it's just better in many ways. If linux was so great, why don't you run it now? Which larger distro's do you reccomend? Which smaller distro's have glitches? What different "types" of linux are there? I'm just curious, I've been using linux for about 10 years; what distros do you reccomend and why?

edit: Damn I'm being a prick tonight. This should be my last post for the night. :tongue:

[vicodincasserole]

I love linux, too bad i have no idea how to do anything. I just set up a redhat box for my friend last night. Personally, I like the one cd distros more just becuase you can start the install and then walk away and come back in an hour or whatever and its done. CollegeLinux is pretty cool i think. if anyone is intersted in getting started in linux my advice would be dont waste your time with mandrake, thats what i did and it sucks ass. besides installs for pretty much everything else are just as easy as mandrake. fuck mandrake.

[breakology]

A few years ago I went through this whole "microsoft is the devil" phase (actually I think I am still in that phase) anyway ... I tried to dump windows completely, led to productivity issues (could'nt play starcraft, lol) I compromised with myself and kept windows around. I still refuse to use XP, sticking with 2000 ... but when I get the urge to do "linux stuff" I use Knoppix (http://www.knoppix.org/), which is a Debain variant, or "Knoppix STD (http://www.knoppix-std.org/)" which is an even better version and it all boots/runs from CD. No installation required.
Coincidently, the army is about to migrate all it's Solaris 8 systems to Red Hat 9 which should be interesting. I can't stand either OS, solaris 9 would have been a better choice, or Debian, or Slackware, or even SuSe ... fucking Red Hat ... whatever .. lol ...fucking army ... :mfinger:

[Descent]

Windows 2000?!

Run Server 2003. It's just as stable as Linux, and it is amazingly fast, especially when you set it up to run on a workstation.

[junglizm]

the army is about to migrate all it's Solaris 8 systems to Red Hat 9 which should be interesting.
:frown: I love Solaris, I managed more than a few oracle and various other solaris servers in the army. I hate red hat, I wonder what genius made that descision? I would choose solaris over linux any day, at least in a server enviroment.

Windows 2000?!
Run Server 2003. It's just as stable as Linux, and it is amazingly fast, especially when you set it up to run on a workstation.
Stop saying that; it's just not true, besides you're being a fanboy. You've probably said that as many times as I've posted and I still find it funny. XP, if configured correctly, can be just as stable as 2k3. All the people that have trouble with XP clearly don't know what they're doing. Microsoft OSs are crap, their servers are crap and their stability will likely never match nix. I have nix servers at work that've been running for over 2 years constantly, we have to use vb scripts to reboot our 2k and 2k3 servers every few months. Where is your stability there? I find it funny; the people with the least linux experience are always the biggest advocates for some crappy M$ OS.

[Smoke]

I dont like linux :[, I tried it once..

[Descent]

Hey Jungie, I suck with Linux, but I love using it.

As for XP being just as stable as 2K3? I'll see it when I believe it.

I like 2K3 because it runs all my apps fast and reliably. I have yet to see it severely mess up. I have a few other friends who use it, and they like it better than Linux also.

It's the one good piece of software M$ has ever made.

Oh, and as for the people having trouble with XP not knowing what they are doing? Bullshit. That OS is buggy and crappy as hell. SP2 is the biggest piece of shit I have ever used. SP2 turns the whole Windows environment into RetardOS XP. It warns you about EVERYTHING, and fucks up any nerd's computing experience!

You know that bug in XP where it will take two minutes at the XP loading screen and then sit at the welcome screen for fifteen minutes? That has happened on BOTH my brother's machines and on my shitbox. You have to reboot the fucker before it will "befriend" you again. It usually happens when you load new drivers on. After I put in the drivers for my Voodoo3 card in my shitbox, it freaked and did that. They were the latest third party drivers that were just released a month ago, too.

Have you ever even RAN 2K3 on a workstation? It's the one M$ OS that won't get bogged down when you install shitloads of software on it. Until you have used it, I suggest you stop flaming it. Linux is still the best OS out there, but 2K3 runs all Win$hit software stable as hell with no problems, something Linux can't do (Unless you run WINE, and even then you need Windows installed).

[junglizm]

As for XP being just as stable as 2K3? I'll see it when I believe it.

I have XP running on my gaming machine. In four years of using XP I've only had a few crashes, most were related to hardware and not the OS. Use what you like by all means, imo 2k3 as a workstation is a bit overkill (bloated), but if that's what it takes.

[Descent]

Oh, I updated my post, by the way.

Server being bloated?! Nonsense. In terms of networking code, yes, but comapared to XP, it doesn't have all that crappy annoying media stuff and little retarded warning boxes.

For server use, yes, it is bloated, but on a Workstation it feels streamlined and elegant.

[junglizm]

For server use, yes, it is bloated, but on a Workstation it feels streamlined and elegant.
See, I would say that it's the other way around. I used 2k3 almost every day as a server and it does a good job as such. I'm guessing this "workstation mode" is some sort of hack, because I've never seen it as an option. The bit about XP being buggy and annoying nerd is just crap. My XP runs fine, because I know what I'm doing; I disabled all of the useless services, "annoying media stuff", and "retarded little boxes". Yes, I agree out the box XP is crap, hence why I said you have to know what you're doing. SP2 was pretty pointless, but it hasn't affected stability, and if you can't figure out how to turn off those "warning that ruin nerdy experience" then you should just buy a mac. It took me two seconds to click the tray icon and turn off the warnings, problem solved, back to my nerdy experience. Yes, I've run 2k3 at home; I took it upon my self to install it when we were doing out testing phase last year. I ran it at home for a number of month and at work in our test domain, gearing up for our migration and roll out. I didn't just download it off kazaa and start playing with it, I'm also certified on 2k3. From my home experience, it wasn't something I wanted to replace XP with. I'd say 75% of my time of my home computer time is spent on my linux box. The rest of the time I spend playing games that don't have a linux port. 2k3 is bloated for a workstation OS no matter how you look at it, I'm sorry but you're not going to convince me otherwise. I'm used 2k3 a lot more extensively and for a lot more things than just playing games and posting on the net. I'm not trying to "flame" 2k3 or you, I'm just a bit more experienced and I know how to make XP stable, as I've done it many times before. It's not that I dislike 2k3, it's just not an OS suited for home use, in that same reguard I wouldn't run advanced server linux at home either, because I don't need the extra features.

Linux is still the best OS out there, but 2K3 runs all Win$hit software stable as hell with no problems, something Linux can't do (Unless you run WINE, and even then you need Windows installed). I don't think you understand how wine or wineX work. (maybe I misunderstood that though) I have yet to find a task that needs doing that I couldn't perform in linux. With the exception of playing some games, of course.

[breakology]

:frown: I love Solaris, I managed more than a few oracle and various other solaris servers in the army. I hate red hat, I wonder what genius made that descision? I would choose solaris over linux any day, at least in a server enviroment.


who knows who decides this crap? probably some G-6 officer who has never used either one.

The only positive thing I have to say about windows is that it is a lot more tolerent to end user abuse than any *nix variant. The army fucked up royaly when it went with solaris 8 for all the new force 21 crap I deal with. i don't how much you worked with tankers in the past, but those are my endusers ... and "a proper shutdown" for them is to kill all power to the systems while the HDD is still writing. I have spent hours re-burning drives thanks to those knuckle heads.
Ironically, the system we use to re-burn runs windows 98 .... fucking figures

[digitalwndr]

post something more specific... I have Gaim and centericq installed and running fine. It wasn't too painful. Make sure you have root to install and then use a user account to run the program.

[vicodincasserole]

i was reading this article: LINK (http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3135712364.html)
about mepis linux so i decided to check it out. everything went fine on my virtual machine so i decided to burn it and install on my laptop. the install was a pain to do on the laptop, and for some reason it decided not to install the panel... wtf

[Descent]

http://win2k3.msfn.org/

It's no hack, Jungie. It's just changing a couple of quick settings.

El. El oh el. El oh el oh el oh el oh el.