Splitting

[Adramelech]

It ocurred to me that if stephen hawking is correct about his theory on alternate universes, how do these universes get created in the first place? One theory would be that all universes were created simaltaneously at the big bang. Which would be kinda simpla and straightforward. But a much more interesting theory is that new universes are constantly being created, even as i type this. Every decision we make causes another universe to be created, where we make the opposite decision, for example, if i choose to go to drive down to someplece instead of taking the train. In one universe, i would drive down and everything would go fine, but in the universe where i take the train, theres and accident and i die. the universe where i take the train instead of the car would be created the second i decided to take the car instead of the train. Just in itself, this would be mindboggling, as the number of decisions every person makes in one day, and the number of people there are, would mean there would be billions upon billions of universes. But this is stretching the truth a tiny bit. whats everybody elses opinion?

[Zickddot]

This only works if you believe that some outside force is intervening in our everyday lives. If your saying that everything in the 2 worlds are the same up until the point where say...the train crashes. The train couldn't crash because there was nothing differant to make it crash. Thoughts are thoughts because of chemicals oozing around our brains, we don't judge how they work, they judge how we work. Everything can be based on a bunch of 1's and 0's, so no, Steven Hawkings' thoery is not right.

[Chad]

Basically you are telling me there are billions of universes.

Find any dictionary where Universe DOENS'T use the word "everything" or "all"
And I will kiss your ass.

[Zickddot]

The_Chad....thank you. He was PWN3D! tag team style.

[Fluffybot]

Adramelech I think his theory is bizarre. Why he's given any space at all to air such nonsense is beyond me. If these universes are created as a direct result of our actions why don't we experience any kind of sensory imput to notice it? We're talking about a whole universe being created on the fly!

And the syncronosity of events is too ridiculous to even consider. Suddenly, a whole universe, including not only one with a similar history to our own but a doppleganger of you has just been created who doesn't take a train while in this universe you decide to. If he was created by your actions, where is that person's history leading up to that decision? Where you both born simultaneously on all universes that were present at the moment of your birth, and up to the time you decide to ride the train but your doppleganger does not did you live exactly the same lives, having precisely the same thoughts and performing the same actions until you went your separate ways at the train station? And what about the people and events surrounding you and your doppleganger? How did all events and people manage to stay in step until The Day of the Train Ride? Bizarre...

Apparently, Stephen Hawking is the creation of another Stephen Hawking in a different universe and our Stephen Hawking didn't come into existence until the first time I heard about him and his cwazy ideas. The other one must be a comedian.

[Zickddot]

that and he can walk, talk and keep his drool in his mouth.

[ironictaters]

It ocurred to me that if stephen hawking is correct about his theory on alternate universes, how do these universes get created in the first place? One theory would be that all universes were created simaltaneously at the big bang. Which would be kinda simpla and straightforward. But a much more interesting theory is that new universes are constantly being created, even as i type this. Every decision we make causes another universe to be created, where we make the opposite decision, for example, if i choose to go to drive down to someplece instead of taking the train. In one universe, i would drive down and everything would go fine, but in the universe where i take the train, theres and accident and i die. the universe where i take the train instead of the car would be created the second i decided to take the car instead of the train. Just in itself, this would be mindboggling, as the number of decisions every person makes in one day, and the number of people there are, would mean there would be billions upon billions of universes. But this is stretching the truth a tiny bit. whats everybody elses opinion?

Anything is possible, but of all things this is seems quite unlikely, like almost Danny Darko unlikely. (I love that movie)

Anyways, what I am angry about is your god damn PUNCTUTATION AND GRAMMAR. Why don't capitalize once in a while, and you use way too many comma's. It hurts my eyes to read this crackpot shit anyways.

[PeekItUp]

Hawking thought of this theory because of the probabilistic nature of quantum theory. He means that alternate universes exist mathematically, that is, if you have the ability to make one decision, there are two logical paths and hence two "universes"; the path of doing something, and the path of not doing something.

I say that there is one possible state of the universe. All chemical reactions are predictable by the laws of physics. Our brains rely on chemical reactions. Hence, the activities (Thoughts) of our brains are predicable by physics. These laws, along with the interaction of all matter and energy, were set into motion long ago with the creation of the universe...

Laws were created and set long ago.
Our thoughts are based on laws.
Our thoughts were created long ago.

There is no free will. Even me writing this now was "decided" long in the past at the big bang. There is no real decision to be made at all. Thus, there is no way for an alternative universe to be created, as there is absolutely no way to create the decisions that spawn such universes.

[Woodreaux]

Alternate universes aren't created as a result of concious decisions, they are created for each arrangement of particles and their quantum numbers. A simplified example:

Assume the quantum numbers change once per second,
the entire universe after the big bang was composed of 2 protons
all particles had one quantum number x, and x can be any integer, but it can only increment or decrement by one unit per second
all particles in the universe were governed by a wave function: x(t) = x(t-1) + random(-1,0,1), where t is seconds since the Big Bang
Particle1's x = 0, Particle2's x = 0 at the moment of the Big Bang(t=0)
Pauli's Exclusion Principle doesn't apply (for the sake of simplicity).One second after the Big Bang, each particle's x can become -1,0 or 1. Two seconds after, they each be between -2 and 2. So n seconds after the Big Bang, each x can be between -n and n.
The way the alternate universes thing works in this case is, one second after the Big Bang, there 9 would be universes. The quantum numbers in these universes would be <-1,-1>, <-1,0>, <-1,1>, <0,-1>, <0,0>, <0,1>, <1,-1>, <1,0>, <1,1>.
Two seconds after the BigBang, a new set of universes would be created. One for each possible arrangement of the quantum numbers from <-2,-2>, <-2,-1>, <-2, 0> ... <2,1>, <2,2>. Two seconds after, there would be 25 possible universes.
At n seconds into the life of this very simple universe, each of the two protons could have an x value between -n and n. (2n+1) possible values. So, at that moment they could have (2n+1)*(2n+1) different sets of values. These numbers would describe the state of the possible realities.

Now imagine our universe. Particles have whole bunch of quantum numbers with complicated sets of possible values. And our universe doesn't have a pair of particles, it has a shitload of particles. It makes my head hurt just thinking about it. The number of alternate universes is staggering. It's somewhere in the neighborhood of total number of particles in universe * number of possible sets of quantum values for each particle * the number of times the quantum numbers have changed (which is billions of times per second). That's about how many alternate realities there are.

[PeekItUp]

We as human beings find it virtually impossible to determine what another is thinking. We label anything that is impossible to predict as random. However, people make certain decisions with a certain set of behavioral patterns. We may say the random thoughts which translate into decisions are in fact much like Woodreaux's example of a random number being created. So, can't decisions still create an alternative reality? Mathematically speaking.

[dustinzgirl]

We as human beings find it virtually impossible to determine what another is thinking. We label anything that is impossible to predict as random. However, people make certain decisions with a certain set of behavioral patterns. We may say the random thoughts which translate into decisions are in fact much like Woodreaux's example of a random number being created. So, can't decisions still create an alternative reality?

No. A thought is simply put, a chemical reaction. We are not special, we are made of chemical reactions. Your thoughts do not create an alternate universe. Behavioral patterns are set by the ability of the brain to create a chemical reaction.

[Zickddot]

No. A thought is simply put, a chemical reaction. We are not special, we are made of chemical reactions. Your thoughts do not create an alternate universe. Behavioral patterns are set by the ability of the brain to create a chemical reaction.


Well, atleast I understood it. You put my other post in better words anyway lol.

What she is saying is this: there is only 1 possible path.


Everything is based off of 1's and 0's. Things that will happen and won't happen. We can use mathematics to see the furute (although we would have to be really fast at calculating). Everything can be predicted, only because everything sticks to the same law as it did trillions of years ago.