loch ness monster

[squeeze_me]

do you think it exists??

me personally no.....

[JLXC]

I've gone back and forth on this one.

I think it is "possible" that a dinosaur or relative survived for a time in the loch, but I don't think it (or they) don't anymore. But who knows?

[HoneyImHome]

I'd like to because the idea is just kinda cool. I just can't though. Some creature THAT big and they can't get better pics? I guess as Swid said about Bigfoot, Nessie can't help being naturally blurry. ;)

[Not to mention, after all the many decades of sightings, the thing would probably be dead by now. If it's a case of more than one or perhaps an entire pack (or whatever nessies travel in :tongue: ), then there would have been quite a bit more sightings. I'd think anyway]

[junglizm]

I think it's certainly plausible, just because of the amount of fish, reptiles and mammals that are known to have survived from prehistoric times. However, I think we would've been able to at least get a sonar scan of it by now, unless there are some sort of underwater cave(s) in that particular loch. The cave explanation seems unlikely though.

[Darklight]

I just flushed nessy down my toilet.. but I only seen it for a second :D

[squeeze_me]

i think its completly fake seeing that the thing is "meant" to be so fucking big and they havn't found jack shit.....and i also think that people who have seen sightings of nessie, ufo's ect. are just real photoshop nerds.

[Gotie]

I was at boarding school in Scottland for 2 years but unfortunately never got to visit Loch Ness.
But they do have a crazy weather over there ^^. For example you can have fog and rain at the same time. And if you were to look at a wide open area like a lake ( loch ;) ) and were expecting to see the shape of a big dinosaur/monster thingie, you would probably get to see it.
I do believe EVERYTHING to be possible just that some things aren't very likely to happen or not very realistic ^^.
But Nessie isn't too unbelievable. Since it's species hasn't been specified yet, no one can tell where it lives and how. What it eats and what his other customs are. No one knows how old it can get and the ground of Loch Ness hasn't been explored thoroughly.
Long talk, little sense :rolleyes:
I still believe it possible but agreeing with most others here I find it unlikely.

[Elite Hunting]

Didn't we do this yesterday with Bigfoot?

I know for a fact that the Loch Ness monster is real, cuz Santa Claus and Fred, my lawn gnome (who summers in Scotland), told me so. :D

[Devien]

nessie is a big eel. eels swim into the loch at some time of year (not to certain), and then swim back to sea. But if they dont go back for whatever reason (which has been known in other rivers), they can stay in the river and grow up to 6 ft long.
they have scientifically proved it cant be a dinosaur- the water is far too cold for it and there isnt enough fish in the loch to sustain such a large creature.

[A_Zombie]

I thought it could be true because the lake is really really really deep that they cant get down there or something?

[lion_griffin]

it is a blow-up ballon imo....but it might be out there trying to lead a good healthy life...:confused:NOT :photo: but id sure like to be the first to spot it if its out there :photo:

[squeeze_me]

I thought it could be true because the lake is really really really deep that they cant get down there or something?

That led me to certain belief because the giant squid is meant to be living deep down under the water and whos to say the qiant ell thing isnt down there?

[drnknbndr]

Ofcourse she exists! She's in my backyar... Now that I think of it... I think I set her free on the planet Jupiter, yeah. That's right. :rolleyes:

[cashman99]

it owuld make sence that there is a tunnel leading under ground there where there are millions of huge fish and the loch ness is one of the smaller breads thats not hurt by sunlingt and can come to hide from the more dangourus evil things down there
dont ask!

[Zickddot]

nessie is a big eel. eels swim into the loch at some time of year (not to certain), and then swim back to sea. But if they dont go back for whatever reason (which has been known in other rivers), they can stay in the river and grow up to 6 ft long.
they have scientifically proved it cant be a dinosaur- the water is far too cold for it and there isnt enough fish in the loch to sustain such a large creature.


1. It's a lake, not a bay, ho could fish swim into a closed water area?
2. Most whales only eat microscopic organisms. Why can't nessy eat them too?

(but yeah, i dont believe in him either)

[Devien]

1. It's a lake, not a bay, ho could fish swim into a closed water area?
2. Most whales only eat microscopic organisms. Why can't nessy eat them too?

(but yeah, i dont believe in him either)
1. loch ness is connected to the north sea via the river ness:
http://www.lochnesswelcome.co.uk/images/loch-ness-map.gif

2. whales that eat plankton spend nearly the entire time swimming the massive oceans feeding; there is no way it or another creature of the same size could survive in an area the size of the loch.

http://heritage.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=8&id=779862003:

"Is there a Jurassic Park monster lurking in Loch Ness? The answer is ‘no’," he declares. "But I do think there is something interesting there to be discovered. And I think it is probably a giant eel."

He adds: "Occasionally something will happen which makes an eel sterile," he explains. "Instead of swimming to the open sea, they stay in fresh water and keep on growing and eating. And as long as something doesn’t get them first, there’s no real size limit - a few years ago an 18ft-long eel was found in a ship canal in the West Midlands. If you ask me, Nessie is a bloody great 30ft long eel."

[Captain 151]

If im not mistaken (and without reading the previous replies, sorry! I cant be arsed.) the loch ness monster is a fabrication. I believe its been scientifically proven somewhere, in a place where I'm not going to go find support because im tired and im going to bed after this post.

The scots are crazy about it though. When I was in Edinburgh, there was a loch ness store and all that crazy kind of kilt n bagpipes shit.

[Gotie]

So you were there for holiday only ?
Ask some Scotts what they think about it.
Most will tell you that they don't give a shit because it's not gonna feed them nor their families. If they can make a penny out of the story they will ^^

[Jack]

Urquhart Castle has been there for what, 800 years? No record whatsoever.

The End.

[FireAngel]

they have scientifically proved it cant be a dinosaur- the water is far too cold for it and there isnt enough fish in the loch to sustain such a large creature.
Interesting that you said that because I read something in National Geographic a long time ago that said that it could be a dinosaur, or at least a relative. It went through all the factors that made it a possibility. They even had possible reasons why the sighting would be so infrequent. I wish I could remember some of it. Oh well. Still, whatever Nessie is, I believe it is highly unlikely that she's real.

[Jack]

A cold-blooded marine reptile......in Scotland. Lame.:thumbsdn:

[HoneyImHome]

so, if they think it's a giant eel are they completely discarding all the surface pics and sitings... last I checked an eel really never surfaces...

anyway, again, I don't really believe it. Just had to point that out.

[Devien]

so, if they think it's a giant eel are they completely discarding all the surface pics and sitings... last I checked an eel really never surfaces...

anyway, again, I don't really believe it. Just had to point that out.
the surface pics that look like dinosaurs are all hoaxes. as for the surface pics that arent fake, they can mostly be explained by natural phenomenon around the loch. loch ness doesnt just get eels swimming into it, other marine lifeforms swim in as well, such as seals and salmon, which whilst salmon are unlikely to have accounted for many sightings, seals certainly have.
there are also birds around the loch that fly so close to the water they leave a trail behind them, a lot of videos, photos and sightings have been explained by these.
that said, i'm sure there are still lots of unexplained videos, photos and sightings, but is the fact that they're unexplained really evidence?

[Devien]

Interesting that you said that because I read something in National Geographic a long time ago that said that it could be a dinosaur, or at least a relative. It went through all the factors that made it a possibility. They even had possible reasons why the sighting would be so infrequent. I wish I could remember some of it. Oh well. Still, whatever Nessie is, I believe it is highly unlikely that she's real.
i would also like to see that article, it sounds interesting. every article i read about what the loch ness monster could be, and every documentary i see about it, all seem to more or less immediately rule out the dinosaur theory based on one simple fact; the plesiosaur was cold blooded, and required warm water to live in to heat up its blood. the loch is far, far, far too cold to even consider a plesiosaur living there.
whilst i feel i can safely say that there is no plesiosaur in loch ness, doesnt mean to say that it isnt alive in other lakes and rivers. there are lake/river monster myths all around the world in which sightings and photos look extremely like plesiosaur's, and some of the places are the ideal conditions for the creature, but loch ness really isnt

[FireAngel]

i would also like to see that article, it sounds interesting. every article i read about what the loch ness monster could be, and every documentary i see about it, all seem to more or less immediately rule out the dinosaur theory based on one simple fact; the plesiosaur was cold blooded, and required warm water to live in to heat up its blood. the loch is far, far, far too cold to even consider a plesiosaur living there.
whilst i feel i can safely say that there is no plesiosaur in loch ness, doesnt mean to say that it isnt alive in other lakes and rivers. there are lake/river monster myths all around the world in which sightings and photos look extremely like plesiosaur's, and some of the places are the ideal conditions for the creature, but loch ness really isnt
Like I said it's pretty old, so the articles you were mentioning are probably what they found after more research. I was just commenting on the interesting reversal of opinion. I'll see if I can't look up the article at work.

[Zickddot]

so, if they think it's a giant eel are they completely discarding all the surface pics and sitings... last I checked an eel really never surfaces...

anyway, again, I don't really believe it. Just had to point that out.

my first thought when i visualized eels coming out of the water. they generally stay in smalls closed areas anyway.

[Quitii]

i say it most likely exists, but probably is really just some normal every-day creature that some dumbass saw and went "OMFG A MONSTER!"

if you ask me, anything is possible of being true. aliens, loch ness monster, psychics, even god. some are true, some are half true (exaggerated truth), sometimes false but still possible.

[Jack]

...if you ask me, anything is possible of being true. aliens, loch ness monster, psychics, even god. some are true, some are half true (exaggerated truth), sometimes false but still possible.

:thumbsdn:

[Quitii]

:thumbsdn:
im assuming the :thumbsdn: is for the god part? myself i try not to acknowledge the existance or non-existance of god. i have seen no proof of him/her/it existing, but i refuse to rule out the possibility of a higher being creating us all.

[Jack]

Yes, but mostly for wishy-washy "anything's possible" attitude. I have no stomach for vague optimism mister.

[Quitii]

then prove it to be true or false. TRY to convince me of either one.

[Jack]

Which one?

[Quitii]

try one of the ones i mentioned. god is my favorite subject to discuss, as long as the person is intelligent enough and open minded enough to have something more to say than "he just does."

[Jack]

I find it very hard to try and disprove something when there is no evidence whatsoever of it's existence. It seems to me that it would be the believers task to prove that it does exist.

[Quitii]

thats my point. there's no evidence either way. no way to prove it exists, and no way to prove it doesnt. and believer's who have "talked to god".... how do you know they really did? how do you know they werent just daydreaming, or hearing random voices (insanity.. which i occasionally suffer from). you COULD prove if they are actually talking to god or not, but as long as its the typical message christians say they get from god, like hell a quack would say "no, he's not talking to god. he's just plain psycho." you get what im sayin?

[Jack]

When there's no evidence either way, which way would logic tell you to go?

[Quitii]

my logic or the worlds logic?

[Jack]

Rational thought. Yours.

[Quitii]

my mind is open. if i see no evidence either way, that means it might exist might not. no definite answer. if there is evidence one way, but not a real proof (there IS a difference between evidence and proof) then i would be leaning that way, while still keeping my mind open to the other possibility.

for example, loch ness. theres been sightings and whatnot, but no PROOF. so i say it PROBABLY exists, but theres a chance its all some big joke. bring me nessie's head, and then i'll believe it, no if's and's or but's about it. until then, i hope the rest of the world decides to geht the fuck away from the thinking of the majority (either is or isnt, no "maybe's") before they get proved wrong and start WWIII. all because they said "NO way in hell nessie exists." then someone brings me nessie's head and BAM! goht half the world jumpin his ass for disagreeing, being fully yes or no. poor dude... he just goht fuct.

[HoneyImHome]

/rides the derailed train

Why logic/rationale? It's called "faith" for a reason. The whole point of Christianity's salvation comes from "He whosoever believes shall have eternal life". Why should you expect more of an answer than, "he just does" from someone arguing their faith?

I personally do believe in God. I feel there are things that have happened in my life that I feel were signs or "divine intervention". I don't need to prove these things to anyone else. My belief/faith and relationship with my God is my own personal business. I don't force it on others, nor do I feel the need to have their opinions on His non-existance forced on me. Anyway, wanted to throw that in.

/derail off :tongue:

[Quitii]

/rides the derailed train

Why logic/rationale? It's called "faith" for a reason. The whole point of Christianity's salvation comes from "He whosoever believes shall have eternal life". Why should you expect more of an answer than, "he just does" from someone arguing their faith?

I personally do believe in God. I feel there are things that have happened in my life that I feel were signs or "divine intervention". I don't need to prove these things to anyone else. My belief/faith and relationship with my God is my own personal business. I don't force it on others, nor do I feel the need to have their opinions on His non-existance forced on me. Anyway, wanted to throw that in.

/derail off :tongue:
he was saying that he didnt like that i dont lean with the "is or isnt" type of ideals. as far as god, myself am agnostic.

ag·nos·tic (g-nstk)
n.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

make sense?

[HoneyImHome]

I'm aware of what agnostic means, I used to be agnostic myself.

My response was for Jack, by the way. Sorry for the confusion. He was arguing logic and rational thought. That's what prompted my post.

[Jack]

How can so young a species, with an infinite amount of knowledge still out of our reach, think it has solved the origin of the universe, or many other more mundane occurances simply by saying "God did it?"
I wish there was a God, who doesn't, at least then you'd know there was something more. I've tried to have faith in certain times of personal hardship, but my brain isn't wired like that I guess.

The Mystery continues....

[Quitii]

Indeed it does, Jack. Indeed it does.

[HoneyImHome]

For me, during my agnostic phase, I wanted to believe, but like you, it just wasn't in my mental capability to dislodge all reason and logic. I thought this way for YEARS. Then, one day, out of nowhere, I realized why I wanted so desperately to believe. All along it never even dawned on me that I was actually afraid to not believe. So, being logical, I deduced... I fear therefore I believe. I mean what exactly did I fear? An eternity of nothing, an infinite void - everything just being over? Nope, I was afraid of damnation. I was afraid (deep down, mind you) that HE might know my thoughts and doubts.

I'm not saying Hellfire and brimstone techniques got to me (I was raised Catholic and was never really taught in that way). It was my own internal conflict. Anyway, not that you asked... well, yeah, I guess you did. ;)

[Devien]

erm......
we're discussing the loch ness monster, not the existence of god. last few posts are a bit off topic, if you want to discuss the existence of god, create a separate thread.

[Quitii]

ya know what... this should have been put into an entirely different thread. we just totally thread-jacked Squeeze's thread. sorry squeezy-pie.

[Jack]

Relax, you'll live.

[HoneyImHome]

Nessie is an agnostic. There we're back on topic. :tongue:

I'm more concerned about Junglizm... You know every time a Christian speaks out his hairline receeds.... ;)

Why do I feel the need to hide now? :D

[Quitii]

/me raises hand.

Baptized as catholic. and after all the shit i've pulled, i know im going to hell. but wait... i said im agnostic... isnt that a confusing statement.

[LaGypsyEyes]

the loch ness monster is a scam. Its a rouse to get people there. Oh please. You're telling me that all those people who went hardcore into studying and camping out at the areas where they'd see the big ass thing have no real proof that it does indeed exist? thats a bunch of bull crap. I remember this documentary on it too... whatever man. Someone should dress up like a large fish and just go scuba diving to take some pictures if it does exist. There'd be your hardcore proof. Whatever, if it was real, it'd be intriguing as hell. But it just honest to zeus sounds like scam.

[dustinzgirl]

the loch ness monster is a scam. Its a rouse to get people there. Oh please. You're telling me that all those people who went hardcore into studying and camping out at the areas where they'd see the big ass thing have no real proof that it does indeed exist? thats a bunch of bull crap. I remember this documentary on it too... whatever man. Someone should dress up like a large fish and just go scuba diving to take some pictures if it does exist. There'd be your hardcore proof. Whatever, if it was real, it'd be intriguing as hell. But it just honest to zeus sounds like scam.
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/Nessie.htm
The first recorded account is of an eyeball to eyeball confrontation with the Irish saint, St. Columba in the 6th century. St. Columba, so the story goes, ordered one of his monks to swim across the loch and fetch a boat., Halfway across the monster appeared and rushed at the swimmer, roaring in a most frightening way! Columba cried out at the monster," Go no further, nor touch the man! Go back! ". The monster it is said, fled!


Thats a pretty long running scam.

[LaGypsyEyes]

but so are most scams... like ghosts that dont really exist & what not. Its like on the travel channel, when they show the most haunted areas and you see most people flock to that area to see it. same publicity. The unknown intriguing people.

[Tostig]

My pants are the most haunted pants in the world.


/me waits for the flocks of people coming to his pants.

[LaGypsyEyes]

hahaha...that's probably going to the worlds longest wait. :rolleyes: :D

[Tostig]

it's going to be the world's longest something all right!

....

dammit, who am i kidding, you're right lol

[lies on myspace]

The loch ness isn't too cold for a dinosaur. Sturgeons have been found in the loch befor (not alot of them, but they're there). And sturgeons are basically prehistoric fishes (they're usually 10 feet long, but there have been cases of some that are around 19ft. And they live for up to 150 years). If the loch ness has sturgeons in it, isn't it possible that another prehistoric dinosaur fish, similiar to a sturgeon, could lurk in deep within the loch? Or maybe nessie is a sturgeon.

This is a sturgeon:
http://www.redwoodsoutfitter.com/images/sturgeon.jpg

[TheCrackedJack]

thats one bigass fish above there

[FuckedOver]

there is no reason why Nessie can't exist
if you look at a map of Scotland you will clearly see that loch ness is in a straight line of lochs that seperate the northern third of the country from the middle.
start at the top with Moray Firth, there is a bit of land west of Inverness then Loch Ness, more land then Loch Lochy, more land then Loch Linnhe which connects to the Firth of Lorne between Castle Duart and Dunollie. These Lochs are a dead straight line which at one stage billions of years ago were one river flowing in one side and out the other.

lets suppose a giant sea dinosaur swam in and liked it so much he stayed there for billions of years and is still there today, trapped inland unable to return to the sea.
But he is quite comfortable where he is. Loch Ness never freezes over and the fish in there breed like rabbits !!!

In all likely hood Nessie would have gills instead of lungs and would therefore rarely need to surface (and the loch is definately long and deep enough to be home to a family of these creatures).

And Loch Ness is not the only loch to have reported Nessie sightings and there are underwater caves comming off Loch Ness. I wonder if any non-believers are brave enough to go investigating with the scuba gear.

[Jack]

-Billions of years ago, dinosaurs and the UK landmass were non-existant.
-A salt water animal can't just "like" a fresh water environment.
-No marine reptile has gills.
-Loch Ness is the only possible place to spot "Nessie".
-Reptiles are cold-blooded and the lake is frigid.

[FuckedOver]

-Billions of years ago, dinosaurs and the UK landmass were non-existant.
-A salt water animal can't just "like" a fresh water environment.
-No marine reptile has gills.
-Loch Ness is the only possible place to spot "Nessie".
-Reptiles are cold-blooded and the lake is frigid.

Well said Jack you nuckle head!!!


First up let's replace the word billions with millions.

As for your second point - sharks are often seen up rivers, a good place to catch flathead is where the salt water mixes with fresh water (like Wiseman's Ferry), and you just proved your stupidity.

Thirdly there are conflicting stories as to whether or not Nessie is a "reptile".

Fourth "Loch Ness is the only possible place to spot Nessie" - are you saying you believe in Nessie ??? Hmm...

5th and last Millions of years - even hundreds of thousands of years is a good amount of time for a species to adapt to the environment! You said the water is frigid - meaning extremely cold. That don't change the fact that it does not freeze!
I admit i made one error - Around 12,000 years ago Loch Ness was still within the grips of the Lomond advance of ice and the loch would have been a solid block of ice. If Nessie came into the loch it must have happened after the ice retreated when access to the loch would have been easier until the land bounced back from the weight of the ice and the loch's level rose. These creatures, then, must have been living in substantial numbers in the North Sea if a viable community were to become trapped in the loch. 12,000 years is still a shit load of time for the world to change.
And throw science out the window because there is no way of know if repiles millenia ago were actually cold blooded because we were not there!!!



Loch Ness is 23 Miles long, 1 Mile wide and averages 700 feet deep, with some parts going down to 754 feet. Visibility is almost zero, due to the peat content of the water.
There either is a "Monster" or there is not. To prove there is no monster is more difficult than proving there is one. Think about it. If there is no monster, how do you prove this? Searches that do not get any results can be dismissed as being unlucky. They searched too small an area, they did not search for long enough, the way they searched frightened the monster off. Just because the search gets no results, does not mean there is no monster. Thus, the continuation of the Loch Ness phenomenon is assured!!!

[Jack]

First up let's replace the word billions with millions

I was using billions, because you did in your initial post.

As for your second point - sharks are often seen up rivers, a good place to catch flathead is where the salt water mixes with fresh water (like Wiseman's Ferry), and you just proved your stupidity.

Yes, my stupidity is blatant.:rolleyes:

Thirdly there are conflicting stories as to whether or not Nessie is a "reptile".

Sorry, I thought a "giant sea dinosaur" as you put, would imply that is was a reptile. WHOOPS.

Fourth "Loch Ness is the only possible place to spot Nessie" - are you saying you believe in Nessie ??? Hmm...

No, but that's the affectionate term for the creature that supposedly inhabits Loch Ness, and Loch Ness only.

5th and last Millions of years - even hundreds of thousands of years is a good amount of time for a species to adapt to the environment!

That's right!:thumbsup:

There either is a "Monster" or there is not.

Sadly, this the best point you made in the last bit of your inane banter.

[echo65]

do you think it exists??

me personally no.....

Nope. Other shit, yes, Nessie, no.