I love the smell of Baghdad alight with fire in the morning

[denigrated]

We had every right to bomb the shit out of Baghdad. Socialist and Marxist movements of uneducated developing country-gimps in Spain, Italy, Portugal are about as effective in influencing my cerebral foreign policy decisions as the morally decrepid Rastafarian protests are in London. The resolutions and mindless slaughter gave us pretense; UN inefficacy as evidenced in sub-Saharan Africa over the past decade gave us justification. Someone step-up and refute this so I can educate your gimp ass; or better yet, get a relative or friend to throwdown his two contrarian cents so I can humiliate him in front of you. You will step in line eventually.





dengirated@Nameless

[lobo]

SHIT! FACHIST! FUCK! FAT ASS! DEGENERATE!
DAUN! DEBILL! PICHTA! BOLUDO! PELATUDO!
:mfinger: :mfinger: :mfinger:

[anti-movielife]

UN Peacekeeping Successes no one ever mentions:
Nicaragua, Mozambique, Namibia, and Eastern Slavonia/Croatia, East Timor, KOSOVO(good ole clinton i thot he was cool haha)

I found this article after getting pissed off with your comments:
heres ya go http://www.fpif.org/pdf/vol5/28ifpeace.pdf

"The U.S. has shortchanged the UN financially, imposed debilitating conditions, and failed to provide political support. By mid-2000, U.S. arrears totaled $1.36 billion, two-thirds the amount owed by all UN members. Washington has repeatedly blocked UN peacekeeping missions while initiating incursions outside UN purview."

maybe the UN would be a little more efficient if the US paid its bills...i dont think it really has a right to criticize when it has made no attempt to fix the problems...i also find it EXTREMELY ironic that a year ago bush came close to calling the UN obsolete...and TODAY hes begging for international support...talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

[lobo]

ПИДАРАС!
:mfinger:

[anti-movielife]

if I was president...everyone would get FREE cookies and milk!!!! vote me!

[lobo]

President of what? Kanada or Kan-goo-roo?

Anyway, cokies and milk for me! :mfinger:

[anti-movielife]

president of cookies and milk AND kangaroos

[denigrated]

The uprisings you mentioned occured in relatively stable areas and hardly go to prove the efficacy of the UN. Furthermore, the Kosovo mission is termed "Interim Kosovo Mission" because they failed during the Kosovo mission (thousands of ethnic Albanians were summarily slaughtered under the UN's watchful eye), and this "interm" mission is to ensure that power is eventually transfered from the Serbian authority to a new government to be formed in the future. I would strongly advise you catchup on your Namibian, East Timorese and Balkan history before you try to cite some pathetic obvioulsy-biased opinionated article beseeching foreigners for increased donations. Bring me some empirical analysis.

Also, do you not see the errors of a US providing majority-funding to the UN? US GDP accounts for 1/3rd the total amount of world GDP, yet we have nowhere close to 1/3rd total authority over the UN. If our tax-dollars go towards funding UN operations, we want operations which are effective and bring about conflict resolution. The report cites our lack of funding for Rwandan and Congolese activities: who the fuck cares. Rwandans and Congolese were slaughtered en masse throughout the early 1990s (see CIA World Factbook for some history, chief), yet the UN didn't push proposals through until the late 1990s. Furthermore, the cost of UN peacekeepers is substantial; it takes a lot of money to convince impoverished, ineffective, and reluctant Pakistanis and other UN peacekeepers to perform their selected duties. The UN doesn't fight for anything besides world peace - employing a paradigm of tranquility which hardly resounds in the ears of soldiers nor encourages troops to increase productivity. UN Soldiers are VERY well paid, but remain VERY unmotivated. Funneling money into UN projects like Congo and Rwanada are useless; UN Intervention there has proved futile over the past 5 years (yes, there has been UN intervention despite our lack of 'legally mandated funding', and no, it has not been effective at all).

The UN is ineffective. If you want us to spend our *FAIR SHARE* of GDP on funding the UN, they had better give us our *FAIR SHARE* of power within the UN. You'd better ratify our attack-resolutions faster, and you'd better be more supportive of transfering power to democratic institutions- removing instability from developing countries. We don't need to be voted down by Bulgaria, Cameroon and former-Nazis in doing what we think is right. Telling us to blindly give the UN charitable funds is bullshit. It's like telling me to donate a million dollars to 50 random charities, including one which buys needles and drugs for drugusers in downtown London. I'm not going to fund a project I find morally reprehensible or one whose effectiveness is unproven. Those are sunk costs, and I'm not going to in effect burn my money on such causes. You present my government with viable, productive plans, and we will fund them provided you give us the power of decision we deserve. Otherwise, :mfinger: .



denigrated@nameless

[lobo]

U, FUCKIN' BASTARD! WE ARE IGNORIN' U!
MARX, ENGELS, LENIN', STALIN', MAO - DA RULEZ FOREWA!
KROPOTKIN', BUCHARIN', GARIBALDI - OUR MAINSTREAM!
BUSH - OUR NEW HOPE AND FUTURE
ANARCHY IS OUR NEW ORDER
FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!
:mfinger:

[denigrated]

Your attempted rants most likely resemble labour-movement posters taped to lightpoles. Anarchy is not the new world order. STFU and take your bantering back to elementary school.

[lobo]

YOU, SPRINKLERHEAD!
SCREW YOUR HOLE WITH MANIACURE SCISSORS!
I AM FRUSTRATED! YOU ARE STUPID!
YOU CAN'T HAVE A DEBATES!
YOU INSULTED ME!
FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOU!
:mfinger:
"STOP BAD LANGUAGE" TEAM IN ACTION

[denigrated]

To call you psychotic would be to grossly misjudge the nature of your incompetence. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[lobo]

SOME BALLS KEEP YA FROM GOOD DANCE!
WE SHOULD CUT THESE OUT!
:mfinger:

so you are give-up! MWA-HA-HA!

[mthrlangl]

Jesus fucking Christ on a stick.

You're acting like an asshat. Both of you. The purpose of this board is to let people rant, not to deginerate into potty-mouthed two year olds arguing over God knows what at this point. :thumbsdn:

Speaking of asshats, I'm throwing Dubya up there for nomination. You're not going to make me think he's God's gift to warfare, and I'm wagering I'm not going to convince you that he's a imperialistic bastard.

[denigrated]

woman, while we're still having these rants and flames, would you care to enlighten me with your erudition as to how Bush is A) an asshat laureate, B) an imperialist, and C) why you are picking whichever candidate you're picking over him?




denigrated@nameless

[lobo]

MTH, I did not expect such from U!
Why do You meddleing into the argue of two intellectuals?
This fascistic scunc wrote that he loves smell of peoples dead.
He wrote that he is smart and I am stupid.
He pedefiled 12 yrs old boy.

So... what kind of language You are preferring when speaking with such kind of shit?

MTH - don't even think about to interfere this... :mfinger: :mfinger:

[lobo]

HEY! DEGINERATED! YOU ARE SHITHOLE
FUCK YOU, OLD BASTARD AND PEDOFIL!

:mfinger:

[denigrated]

I'm available for English and Font lessons Lobo. Contact if desired.

[anti-movielife]

i think your available for a punch in the face too

[BRiT]

Mth, Ditto... Perhaps there needs to be an obvious flame-forum. We might even have that one already. I'd like to see some genuine debates on an intellectual level take place here. I suppose that's too much to hope for.

[denigrated]

The only motherfucking person on these boards that I see promoting intellectual debate is me. We have two 12 year olds talking about how everyone is entitled to fleetingly holdon to their empirically incorrect opinions, and some whackass serial misspeller cussing at me in redcaps while advertising Communism for Dumbshits 101. If you have something intellectual to add, by all means: add it. I'm more than happy to respond in an intellectual capacity.

[mthrlangl]

Erhm..opinions, by definition, can't really be wrong, ya know? That's why they're opinions, not facts.

Anyway, I think Bush is an imperialistc bastard because he only seems interested in taking over other countries. Especially those with oil reserves. (Think back on how his first instruction to the troops heading to Iraq was to leave the oil fields alone - not to try to save the people from Hussein.) I think he's a jackass who puts his own values above those of the country he's the "leader" of. To me, that equals asshat. I personally don't care WHO gets the presidency next time around as long as it's not him - I think all politicians are full of shit, and I can only hope that someone else would be less full of shit (and himself) than Bush is. You're more than welcome to inform me that I'm wrong, but it's not going to change my opinion of him or you.

Lobo, you're welcome to say whatever you want - I agree with some of it. I just think it's a poor show to start flaming people in general.

[lobo]

I just think it's a poor show to start flaming people in general.
I agree :(
:mfinger:
Ignorance - is our future!

[denigrated]

I don't see the point of being clsoed to changing one's viewpoints mithrilangel. I feel that it is an integral part of your own personal evolution and maturing process. Granted, you may feel that my and GW's messages are too thickly coated for you to swallow all at once; but I would encourage you to read-up on these topics so that you can make an informed decision on whom to vote for. I don't think voting against a candidate blindly is a good idea - in fact I think it sets a very very dangerous precedent. I also think that the California recall should not have happened, even though Schwarzenneger is a couple hundred times better as the govenor of my state than was Davis.

[Jason]

Hey guys...

While appreciate your energy in this thread there are some things we need to do here... Firstly, we all know what 'trolling' is and we need to knock that off. I don't mind a willingness to battle anyone on any issue, but it becomes apparent pretty quickly what the purpose of the banter truly is. Let's focus on the debating, and not just talk for talking sake at times.

Second, lobo cool that crazy formatting, large fonts, and general oddness in your posts. It is not attractive to read your posts, and not just for the usual 'translations' that you seem to put your text through (do you use a translator or something for everything?). Your posts seem to throw off conversation lately more than usual and have no focus. If you have a point to make, work on making it clearly and precisely and think it out before you post it and the very least. We understand the language difference, that is not at issue. Just do the best you can.

Lastly, as for a flame forum. I'll put that up for a vote as any matters like that I usually try to leave that up to the members of any forum I admin since their thoughts count to me. I'll post the poll now.

Thanks,
-Jason

[mthrlangl]

I don't see the point of being clsoed to changing one's viewpoints mithrilangel. I feel that it is an integral part of your own personal evolution and maturing process. Granted, you may feel that my and GW's messages are too thickly coated for you to swallow all at once; but I would encourage you to read-up on these topics so that you can make an informed decision on whom to vote for. I don't think voting against a candidate blindly is a good idea - in fact I think it sets a very very dangerous precedent. I also think that the California recall should not have happened, even though Schwarzenneger is a couple hundred times better as the govenor of my state than was Davis.

I'm not adverse to changing my opinions or viewpoints. Had I registered to vote in time for the last election, I would've voted for Bush. Now, I don't agree with his policies, and I'd rather see almost anyone besides him in office. So there's my maturing process for you. I refuse to vote for someone who's policies I find personally abhorrent.

And who, praytell, are you to know how to spell out my username?

[denigrated]

I used my wheel of fortune skills and bought a few vowels.

Which policies do you find abhorrent? I'll give you some room with the Patriot Act, his hardline stance on abortion and gays, as well as the current status of enemy combatants; but I still think Iraq was justified, his econ policies are sound, and he'd be a better leader than Kerry.

[mthrlangl]

The Patriot Act is definitely one of my issues. I fail to see the reason to tap, say, a library, for all your personal information without your consent and/or knowledge. That smacks of 1984 to me. I don't think we were justified in going into Iraq - faulty information, possible lying on the administration's part. But then I don't think anyone should go to war unless they're invaded. Defensive war, not offensive. I thought it was mighty fishy that Haliburton was/is supposed to get the oil contracts for Iraq. I seem to recall cuts to education, wanting to drill for oil in protected areas, etc. The man just rubs me the wrong way. I Just. Don't. Like. Him.

(As for my username, most people don't know what the hell it means. So yay for you, I guess.)

[denigrated]

ok, i'm with you on much of what you said; Haliburton's dealings are dubious - at best. Patriot Act is a little questionable - surely Bush could have gotten the same things he wanted accomplished, accomplished, without impinging on the rights he did impinge on... Cuts in education didn't happen however. I think he increased education spending somewhere between 5-15%. He definitely wants to drill in sensitive - but not protected- areas, but it hasn't been passed yet. I agree that the WMD claim was a little sketchy and relied on some twisted information, but I also think that we would have inevitably had to bite the bullet and do something to oust Saddam. He wasn't very tactful in presenting the Iraq-threat to the rest of the world, but now was probably the most opportune time for us to deal with Iraq: going to war gave our economy a definitive boost, and we were already mobilized due to Afghanistan. Also, many of the fighters who fled Afghanistan would be then swept into the Iraqi fervor, assuring that they wouldn't go join terrorist cells elsewhere.

[anti-movielife]

i'm so happy this guy is gone:)
does that make me a bad person?

[denigrated]

i'm so happy this guy is gone:)
does that make me a bad person?


Lobo's gone?

[lobo]

:mfinger: FUCK UP! BASTARD!

[BRiT]

(un)fortunately not... ;)

[GwendyJ666]

We had every right to bomb the shit out of Baghdad. Socialist and Marxist movements of uneducated developing country-gimps in Spain, Italy, Portugal are about as effective in influencing my cerebral foreign policy decisions as the morally decrepid Rastafarian protests are in London. The resolutions and mindless slaughter gave us pretense; UN inefficacy as evidenced in sub-Saharan Africa over the past decade gave us justification. Someone step-up and refute this so I can educate your gimp ass; or better yet, get a relative or friend to throwdown his two contrarian cents so I can humiliate him in front of you. You will step in line eventually.





dengirated@Nameless




I hate people who are so god damned stupid and yet so confedent about it. Yes, incase your ignorant ass didn't realize it I'm talking about you. Fist of all, it wasn't our place to bomb Bagdad OR anywhere else for that matter. America just has this "I'm policing the world for your own good even though my own country could really use some work" aditude going on, and frankly, we DON'T know whats good for everyone else. They DID NOT pose a threat to us. NO NUCLEAR WEPONS. None. Not one. What did we find? Gasoline and a mustard jar??? OH MY! They must be making mustard gas to poison our troops with!!!! OK, a ton of women and children as well as our own troops have died FOR NOTHING. We're in debt up to our eye-balls FOR NOTHING. Havn't you been listening? BUSH WAS WRONG YOU DUMBASS! We had a right to bomb them because..... you thought so??? Not to mension your I'm-better-then-everyone-else-tone is just like any other ignorant fat America thats running this contry that will eventually doom the world. So there. I replied. And funny...... i just don't feel slaughtered. You should, though. **have a nice day** :cool:

[GottaHurt]

I hate people who are so god damned stupid and yet so confedent about it. Yes, incase your ignorant ass didn't realize it I'm talking about you. Fist of all, it wasn't our place to bomb Bagdad OR anywhere else for that matter. America just has this "I'm policing the world for your own good even though my own country could really use some work" aditude going on, and frankly, we DON'T know whats good for everyone else. They DID NOT pose a threat to us. NO NUCLEAR WEPONS. None. Not one. What did we find? Gasoline and a mustard jar??? OH MY! They must be making mustard gas to poison our troops with!!!! OK, a ton of women and children as well as our own troops have died FOR NOTHING. We're in debt up to our eye-balls FOR NOTHING. Havn't you been listening? BUSH WAS WRONG YOU DUMBASS! We had a right to bomb them because..... you thought so??? Not to mension your I'm-better-then-everyone-else-tone is just like any other ignorant fat America thats running this contry that will eventually doom the world. So there. I replied. And funny...... i just don't feel slaughtered. You should, though. **have a nice day** :cool:

Damn, somebody's havin' a maxi day.

"well hows your flow?"

"oh, it's linoleum"

New, Kotex brand, Flock-O-Sheep Tampons with the shoulder fired applicator.

Pluuuunk, Gwendy come baaaaahhhhhk.


:bomb: I love the smell of napalm in the morning. :bomb:

[crazywhiteboy]

here's my thing, I don't think that the war is right...I hate president Bush...if you don't make over 200,000 dollars a year and try to call yourself a republican, then you are a true idiot...but back on the war...America needs to mind their own damn business for once so that we can fix the problems in our country first.

[GottaHurt]

here's my thing, I don't think that the war is right...I hate president Bush...if you don't make over 200,000 dollars a year and try to call yourself a republican, then you are a true idiot...but back on the war...America needs to mind their own damn business for once so that we can fix the problems in our country first.

We are minding our business. The United States uses 10 million barrels of oil per day. It's used to oil the machinery in hydroelectric plants, to power our cars, to transport goods, to provide air transportation, defense systems and a million other things. The first time the power goes out, you can't drive your car, talk on the phone, cook any food and you're sitting in the dark, and our country completely shuts down. You'll be one of the first to scream " how could this happen ?" "why didn't somebody do something ?". Sometimes war is a necessary evil, and when 15% of the worlds oil supply is being controlled by an unstable dictator, then it's in our best interest to protect what is vital for us to sustain our current lifestyle.

[yowatupdogg]

hello yes i know this is a bit off topic but the french suck my asshole i hate them all


here some reasons
1.about 65% of there men are gay
2.they don't take showers
3.we saved there ass's in ww1 and ww2
4.hitler took france in two weeks
5.there language sounds like they are talkin with a dick in there mouth
6.they think they saved us in the revolationary war but it was already over

so this is why the french should burn in hell :gun:

---------------------------------
pain cna be such a horrible thing :sword:

[ron]

Do you people believe everything you see on television? I almost typed "read," but I caught myself. I know you can't. Pinheads.

[badassmtbiker]

Do you people believe everything you see on television? I almost typed "read," but I caught myself. I know you can't. Pinheads.

We hope they don't. Then they go and post here, and it only furthers the idea that yes, Ron, they really do believe everything they see in TV.

[ron]

We hope they don't. Then they go and post here, and it only furthers the idea that yes, Ron, they really do believe everything they see in TV.
Please, oh please, Fox News, give me an opinion.

[badassmtbiker]

Please, oh please, Fox News, give me an opinion.

Bill O'Reilly said that we should stay in Iraq because....

[GottaHurt]

Bill O'Reilly said that we should stay in Iraq because....

....we haven't done enough good (killing) yet, and that there's a lot more goodness that needs to be done.

[badassmtbiker]

....we haven't done enough good (killing) yet, and that there's a lot more goodness that needs to be done.

LMAO

We're always prepared to spread goodness and charity around the world. We're a very giving people.

[WhatIf]

Sometimes war is a necessary evil, and when 15% of the worlds oil supply is being controlled by an unstable dictator, then it's in our best interest to protect what is vital for us to sustain our current lifestyle.

Do you really think it's right to kill innocent people to GET OIL?! WTF?! :mfinger: :mfinger: That is just sick. Would you kill a person to get some gas for your SUV? So you wouldn't mind if some other country invaded USA and bombed the fuck out of your suburb house to "sustain their current lifestyle"?! What hell is with people these days?! I myself consider a human life more valuable than cheap gas.
Anyway, oil is an out-of-date source of energy. If US goverment gave a fuck about global warming they would set some emission standards...But they don't give a fuck...about anything...or anyone.

"Aw damn it's so expensive to fill up the tank these days, maybe bombing some Muslims would help..."

[ron]

Do you really think it's right to kill innocent people to GET OIL?! WTF?! :mfinger: :mfinger: That is just sick. Would you kill a person to get some gas for your SUV? So you wouldn't mind if some other country invaded USA and bombed the fuck out of your suburb house to "sustain their current lifestyle"?! What hell is with people these days?! I myself consider a human life more valuable than cheap gas.
Anyway, oil is an out-of-date source of energy. If US goverment gave a fuck about global warming they would set some emission standards...But they don't give a fuck...about anything...or anyone.

"Aw damn it's so expensive to fill up the tank these days, maybe bombing some Muslims would help..."

First, you're a tool and should not believe everything you read on the World Wide Web or see on television. You might also consider doubting what your junior high school social studies teacher told you in class. We give so much in aid to other countries that few would consider invading the US. Even the Soviets (perhaps you've heard of them? they lost) at the height of their power were receiving aid from the US. If some country did invade, and won, they might actually have to take over and manage our country in order to get our resources. They'd have to work and produce; they might even have to act like a real government. It's much easier for them to bitch about "Steengking Americans" and then beg us for aid, which we give.

Second, what innocents do you mean? The ones attacking our troops as they try to improve the standard of living of Iraqi citizens? Perhaps you mean the Iraqi citizens who were more than happy to have us come liberate them from the Hussein regime, but who now take up arms against our troops and CIVILIAN contractors as they try to deliver food, clothing, medicine, and pure drinking water to said Iraqis. Perhaps you mean the remaining supporters of the Hussein regime who just won't give up the fight and get over the fact that they lost. You haven't been there, you don't know, shut the fuck up.

Further, you are correct in that fossil fuels are an old energy source. Gasoline was originally a cleaning solution. Fossil fuels also provide more bang for the buck (dense, efficient, portable, cheaply-manufactured) than all current alternative energy sources. Try a transcontinental jet flight using a solar-powered engine. Oh, wait. You can't. So, we could retrofit all of our aircraft to use rocket motors. Oh, wait, we can't. Different fuels means different engines means different airframe designs. Until we can find a dense, cheaply-manufactured, efficient, portable energy source to replace all our our jet engines (actually kerosene burners), train engines (deisel/electric hybrids), and truck engines (again, deisels), we have to be concerned about the countries who produce fossil fuels. Otherwise, you might have a long walk to soccer practice. Maybe you should talk to your friends at the Star Trek convention about pocket mater-anti-matter conversion. That might do the trick.

Finally, one should always question one's leaders. It's your right in this country to bitch and moan as much as you like. You can bitch and moan and never have to lift a finger to change things for the better, even. What a country! Wait until you get old enough to vote and then do something about it. You could even get personally involved and show some initiative and leadership in pushing your ideas into actions. Make a good case and maybe I'll vote for you. Or you can do nothing, as is your prerogative.

[GottaHurt]

Do you really think it's right to kill innocent people to GET OIL?! WTF?! :mfinger: :mfinger: That is just sick. Would you kill a person to get some gas for your SUV? So you wouldn't mind if some other country invaded USA and bombed the fuck out of your suburb house to "sustain their current lifestyle"?! What hell is with people these days?! I myself consider a human life more valuable than cheap gas.
Anyway, oil is an out-of-date source of energy. If US goverment gave a fuck about global warming they would set some emission standards...But they don't give a fuck...about anything...or anyone.

"Aw damn it's so expensive to fill up the tank these days, maybe bombing some Muslims would help..."

It's nice to see that you won't be turning 18 until after the election.
Just another nimrod who hasn't a clue about how the world operates.

[ron]

It's nice to see that you won't be turning 18 until after the election.
Just another nimrod who hasn't a clue about how the world operates.
I keep seeing a trend here:

Blah, blah, I'm under 18, blah, everything is free for me because I live with my parents, blah, blah, I hate school, blah, blah, blah, I have never been out in the world but I know everything about how it works, blah, blah...

You notice that?

[badassmtbiker]

I keep seeing a trend here:

Blah, blah, I'm under 18, blah, everything is free for me because I live with my parents, blah, blah, I hate school, blah, blah, blah, I have never been out in the world but I know everything about how it works, blah, blah...

You notice that?

Hear hear. They seem to know all about the world, and are disgusted with their government. Don't get me wrong - GeeDub hasn't impressed me much, but holy shit, kids. Tell ya what - talk to a 17yo in Kosovo, Bosnia, Srebrenica, Chechnya, Kabul, Baghdad, Basra, Al Kut, or Port Au Prince. Whine to them about your life. See how long you last. American kids have no fucking clue.

I'll throw this into the Quotes thread, too, but thought it was good for here. A nice quote from Winston Churchill, which still holds true today

"We sleep soundly in our beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf."

Whether or not most people want to admit it - the military is why you have the ability to bitch about our government.

[GottaHurt]

I keep seeing a trend here:

Blah, blah, I'm under 18, blah, everything is free for me because I live with my parents, blah, blah, I hate school, blah, blah, blah, I have never been out in the world but I know everything about how it works, blah, blah...

You notice that?

That's why we're here ;) To provide leadership and guidance....lmao

[ron]

That's why we're here ;) To provide leadership and guidance....lmao
That's what I thought. Hey, my sig says it all.

[GottaHurt]

Hey, my sig says it all.

Man, have you got your work cut out for you.

[ron]

Man, have you got your work cut out for you.
*shrug*

It keeps me off the streets.

[badassmtbiker]

*shrug*

It keeps me off the streets.

and my punching bag doesn't cry. This is so much more fun.

[WhatIf]

First, you're a tool and should not believe everything you read on the World Wide Web or see on television. You might also consider doubting what your junior high school social studies teacher told you in class. We give so much in aid to other countries that few would consider invading the US. Even the Soviets (perhaps you've heard of them? they lost) at the height of their power were receiving aid from the US. If some country did invade, and won, they might actually have to take over and manage our country in order to get our resources...
I see you missunderstood this part. Try reading it again:
So you wouldn't mind if some other country invaded USA and bombed the fuck out of your suburb house to "sustain their current lifestyle"?!
I didn't actually mean that someone would ever consider invading USA. I was trying to show how sick it is to bomb a country just for oil.

Second, what innocents do you mean? The ones attacking our troops as they try to improve the standard of living of Iraqi citizens? Perhaps you mean the Iraqi citizens who were more than happy to have us come liberate them from the Hussein regime, but who now take up arms against our troops and CIVILIAN contractors as they try to deliver food, clothing, medicine, and pure drinking water to said Iraqis. Perhaps you mean the remaining supporters of the Hussein regime who just won't give up the fight and get over the fact that they lost. You haven't been there, you don't know, shut the fuck up.
By innocents i mean CIVILIANS who lost their homes/lives/limbs. And no, you didn't come to liberate them, you came to get cheap gas. Iraq doesn't seem very liberated to me and the people aren't very happy about the presence of US troops. Massive cluster bombings isn't the same thing as freedom. (I suppose everyone already knew that USA dumped their old left-over bombs to Iraq, which leads to duds which will lead to a bunch of Iraqi children with decapitated heads.) Bush just totally fucked the war up, you can't deny that fact. if he had given a fuck about the Iraqi people, maybe he would have thought about the post-war situation and not about the post-stealing-the-oil situation. Now he has made Iraq a playground for terrorists. Well...basically they're liberated from Saddam's regime, but now they have to deal with Bush's regime. (Btw he closed down a newspaper, which doesn't sound like freedom either.) You haven't been there either, you haven't seen the chaos, so shut the fuck up and keep pumping up your SUV with that cheap gas.
Try a transcontinental jet flight using a solar-powered engine. Oh, wait. You can't. So, we could retrofit all of our aircraft to use rocket motors. Oh, wait, we can't. Different fuels means different engines means different airframe designs. Until we can find a dense, cheaply-manufactured, efficient, portable energy source to replace all our our jet engines (actually kerosene burners), train engines (deisel/electric hybrids), and truck engines (again, deisels), we have to be concerned about the countries who produce fossil fuels. Otherwise, you might have a long walk to soccer practice. Maybe you should talk to your friends at the Star Trek convention about pocket mater-anti-matter conversion. That might do the trick.
I see you missunderstood this part too. Try reading it again:
If US goverment gave a fuck about global warming they would set some EMISSION STANDARDS.Don't act like a moron, i was talking about industry.
I meant that US goverment should set some EMISSION STANDARDS and sign the Kioto pact (or whatever it's called in english) like everyone else. USA is making their own rules at the expence of the rest of the world. "Those dumb Europeans can sign stupid pacts and set emission standards, we don't give a fuck, we can pollute as much as we like. And if we run out of oil, we'll just bomb someone." Imagine if you could use alternative sources of energy in industry. Oh wait YOU CAN.
Imagine if they could create a car that would run with hydrogen without any pollution. Oh wait, THEY CAN. With enough pressure from goverments, car manufacturers would get these prototypes in mass production in a few years. This should be a priority for all industrialized countries.

[GottaHurt]

I see you missunderstood this part. Try reading it again:

I didn't actually mean that someone would ever consider invading USA. I was trying to show how sick it is to bomb a country just for oil.


By innocents i mean CIVILIANS who lost their homes/lives/limbs. And no, you didn't come to liberate them, you came to get cheap gas. Iraq doesn't seem very liberated to me and the people aren't very happy about the presence of US troops. Massive cluster bombings isn't the same thing as freedom. (I suppose everyone already knew that USA dumped their old left-over bombs to Iraq, which leads to duds which will lead to a bunch of Iraqi children with decapitated heads.) Bush just totally fucked the war up, you can't deny that fact. if he had given a fuck about the Iraqi people, maybe he would have thought about the post-war situation and not about the post-stealing-the-oil situation. Now he has made Iraq a playground for terrorists. Well...basically they're liberated from Saddam's regime, but now they have to deal with Bush's regime. (Btw he closed down a newspaper, which doesn't sound like freedom either.) You haven't been there either, you haven't seen the chaos, so shut the fuck up and keep pumping up your SUV with that cheap gas.

I see you missunderstood this part too. Try reading it again:
Don't act like a moron, i was talking about industry.
I meant that US goverment should set some EMISSION STANDARDS and sign the Kioto pact (or whatever it's called in english) like everyone else. USA is making their own rules at the expence of the rest of the world. "Those dumb Europeans can sign stupid pacts and set emission standards, we don't give a fuck, we can pollute as much as we like. And if we run out of oil, we'll just bomb someone." Imagine if you could use alternative sources of energy in industry. Oh wait YOU CAN.
Imagine if they could create a car that would run with hydrogen without any pollution. Oh wait, THEY CAN. With enough pressure from goverments, car manufacturers would get these prototypes in mass production in a few years. This should be a priority for all industrialized countries.

Ahh, Whatif, I can see you're sitting back in your easy chair, enjoying a pipeful of Borchem Riff and sipping a vintage bordeaux while contemplating the perfect Utopian world, complete with Shangra La vacations....

[WhatIf]

It's nice to see that you won't be turning 18 until after the election.
Just another nimrod who hasn't a clue about how the world operates.
It's nice to see that i live 6000 miles away from USA(43 million without health care, poverty etc. etc. etc. No one wants to live in a place like that.)
I don't speak english as my mother tongue, and i've never even been near North America. Hell, i don't even know what "nimrod" means.

That's right, i've no idea about how the world operates, but i do know one thing: Killing for oil = wrong.

I keep seeing a trend here:

Blah, blah, I'm under 18, blah, everything is free for me because I live with my parents, blah, blah, I hate school, blah, blah, blah, I have never been out in the world but I know everything about how it works, blah, blah...
Nope i'm not living with my parents because i'm studying out of town. We have a bit different education system here, so i'm actually studying out of my free will and therefore can't whine about it. And i never said i know anything about the world.

I keep seeing a trend here too:

"I'm older than you so i know everything about everything and you don't know shit blah blah blah, you're too young to have an opinion on anything so shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of this forum blah blah blah it doesn't matter what you say, i'll draw the attention to your age in any case, i can't come up with an argument against that so i'll just make fun of your age and tell you to shut the fuck up blah blah blah."

You notice that?

[GottaHurt]

It's nice to see that i live 6000 miles away from USA(43 million without health care, poverty etc. etc. etc. No one wants to live in a place like that.)
I don't speak english as my mother tongue, and i've never even been near North America. Hell, i don't even know what "nimrod" means.

That's right, i've no idea about how the world operates, but i do know one thing: Killing for oil = wrong.


Nope i'm not living with my parents because i'm studying out of town. We have a bit different education system here, so i'm actually studying out of my free will and therefore can't whine about it. And i never said i know anything about the world.

I keep seeing a trend here too:

"I'm older than you so i know everything about everything and you don't know shit blah blah blah, you're too young to have an opinion on anything so shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of this forum blah blah blah it doesn't matter what you say, i'll draw the attention to your age in any case, i can't come up with an argument against that so i'll just make fun of your age and tell you to shut the fuck up blah blah blah."

You notice that?


No, you've missed the point, again. Just because we're older than you doesn't mean we're more intelligent or smarter in regard to education or opinion.It means we have more "life experience" than you.

My question for you is: Do you know more now at 18, than you did at 12?
Of course you do, just like you'll know more at 24 than you do now.That's called life experience. Most everyone goes through their "save the world" phase at some point in life. We're just at the, "hey this is reality" point in ours.

[ron]

I see you missunderstood this part too. Try reading it again:
Don't act like a moron, i was talking about industry.
I meant that US goverment should set some EMISSION STANDARDS and sign the Kioto pact (or whatever it's called in english) like everyone else. USA is making their own rules at the expence of the rest of the world. "Those dumb Europeans can sign stupid pacts and set emission standards, we don't give a fuck, we can pollute as much as we like. And if we run out of oil, we'll just bomb someone." Imagine if you could use alternative sources of energy in industry. Oh wait YOU CAN.
Imagine if they could create a car that would run with hydrogen without any pollution. Oh wait, THEY CAN. With enough pressure from goverments, car manufacturers would get these prototypes in mass production in a few years. This should be a priority for all industrialized countries.
It's Kyoto and the US does have emission standards. Global warming may or may not actually be happening like was originally stated, depending on which study you read. Why not conduct your own research into the subject instead of believing what your high school science teacher told you? You might also read various studies concerning that "hole" in the ozone layer. Recent studies indicate that the earlier studies may have been wrong.

For that matter, why not study hard and learn how to invent one yourself. Then, you'd be rich and a hero. Better minds than yours have been working on the problem for a long time.

Yes, the US is making our own rules at the expense of the rest of the world. Just like the countries that burn peat and bituminous cool for heating and cooking. Much worse than burning gasoline in cars and propane in our grills. Of course, you knew that, right?

We don't just arbitrarily bomb other countries. When bombing becomes necessary, we do it to take down their unscrupulous leaders. Yes, that's much worse than leaving things the way they are so that the murderous regime gets to do whatever they like. You might look beyond your history text, as well, and conduct some research into the amount of money we spend on each and every country we have ever invaded after the conflict is over. We remove their dictatorial leaders, help the country elect their own new leaders, then REBUILD their infrastructure for them. You're right, we're the bad guys. Tell you what, live 90 days as a citizen of any Middle Eastern nation and then form an opinion. Tell me how much you like living without Toonami and hot dogs. War happens and people get hurt in war, civilians and military alike. Without war, we'd still be a colony of Great Britain. Of course, since Britain was involved in the Gulf conflicts, you'd still have something to bitch about.

Yes, with sufficient research and development a car could be developed that would run on hydrogen and then mass-produced. Unfortunately, it is the automobile corporations who are responsible for reaserch and manufcturing of said wonders, not the US government. Let's not forget that there are more auto manufacturers in other countries than there are here in the US. We'd have to push them around a little in order to get what you want. Are you going to pay for the factory refit or are you going to tax the whole world to get those factories retooled?

What are we going to do with all of the existing vehicles in the world, since the US is not the only country where people drive, when your magical plan to make the whole wide world a better place takes effect? I should have asked what YOU are going to do with all those cars, since you have the problem licked. Are you going to give away your hydrogen-burning engine and its associated systems for free or are you going to somehow force everyone to buy the retrofit kit themselves? Maybe you assume that the whole world will quite driving gasoline burners just to make you feel better.

You should try looking at the big picture before you open your mouth. Pollution is not just a problem in the US. It does not stop at our borders. Stop blaming us for the problems of the rest of the world.

Wars have always been fought over issues that the masses may not agree with, get over it. There are far more "low intensity" conflicts happening around the world than make the evening news in the United States. Take a trip to Angola, for instance, or French Guyana. Maybe you'd care to spend the summer in the Democratic Republic of Congo or winter in Burma. Better yet, why not winter in Russia, where they don't have heating oil much of the time?

Why not start with you? What can you do that will make it a better world? BTW, I like Finland. Nice place to visit.

[WhatIf]

No, you've missed the point, again. Just because we're older than you doesn't mean we're more intelligent or smarter in regard to education or opinion.It means we have more "life experience" than you.

My question for you is: Do you know more now at 18, than you did at 12?
Of course you do, just like you'll know more at 24 than you do now.That's called life experience. Most everyone goes through their "save the world" phase at some point in life. We're just at the, "hey this is reality" point in ours.

So when I get some "life experience", I can start acting like I'm better than these stupid teens. When I reach this higher level of existance, I can finally post such masterpieces of flamin as:Blah, blah, I'm under 18, blah, everything is free for me because I live with my parents, blah, blah, I hate school, blah, blah, blah, I have never been out in the world but I know everything about how it works, blah, blah...Wow, that's deep.

I think opposition to war isn't a "save the world" phase, it's ethical. I don't like the way you're assuming that when I'm older, I'll be as cynical and negligent as you are.

Ignore me, it's the hormones speaking.

[ron]

It's nice to see that i live 6000 miles away from USA(43 million without health care, poverty etc. etc. etc. No one wants to live in a place like that.)
I don't speak english as my mother tongue, and i've never even been near North America. Hell, i don't even know what "nimrod" means.
Nimrod actually means "hunter" but has been misused over the years to mean "dumbass."

That's right, i've no idea about how the world operates, but i do know one thing: Killing for oil = wrong.
Then you really have no basis for an opinion on anything.

Nope i'm not living with my parents because i'm studying out of town. We have a bit different education system here, so i'm actually studying out of my free will and therefore can't whine about it. And i never said i know anything about the world.

Ah, but you did. In expressing your opinions as fact you were stating that you know how the world operates. You come from a very affluent nation. The saying here goes something like "never criticize a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes." Until you have something to fight for, you will not understand the value of fighting. Until you have experienced hardship, you have no basis for complaint.

I keep seeing a trend here too:

"I'm older than you so i know everything about everything and you don't know shit blah blah blah, you're too young to have an opinion on anything so shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of this forum blah blah blah it doesn't matter what you say, i'll draw the attention to your age in any case, i can't come up with an argument against that so i'll just make fun of your age and tell you to shut the fuck up blah blah blah."

You notice that?
I notice that you have taken a self-righteous stance in defending yourself. We do not kill for oil, but we have interests, governmental and industrial, in the Middle East.

We "older folks" simply state what we have learned through experience. I'm sure you're very intelligent. Finland has great universities. However, you are also a little naive, passing judgement on us when you stated yourself that you know nothing of how the world works. We do.

[GottaHurt]

I think opposition to war isn't a "save the world" phase, it's ethical.[/b]


Of course it's ethical, it always is.Had the United States not intervened in WWII, you folks in Finland would have become part of The Final Solution along with the rest of the world. Your ethics just got thrown out the window. It's always American lives being sacrficed to save the rest of the world from tyrants.



I don't like the way you're assuming that when I'm older, I'll be as cynical and negligent as you are.


I assume nothing, and I'm far from negligent.

As for being cynical, yep it's a trait I've come to know well. But I have built up enough life experience to understand that no matter how much money you throw at your cause, or how much time , effort and determination you put towards your cause, more often than not, it's going to be ignored or lost in bureaucratic red tape.So just give up on my beliefs and causes, never, approach them through cynical eye's, you betcha.

[ron]

So when I get some "life experience", I can start acting like I'm better than these stupid teens. When I reach this higher level of existance, I can finally post such masterpieces of flamin as:Wow, that's deep.
If you like. That's entirely up to you.

I think opposition to war isn't a "save the world" phase, it's ethical. I don't like the way you're assuming that when I'm older, I'll be as cynical and negligent as you are.
Ethics is a great quality to have. However, one must be careful that ethics does not get in the way of doing what's right.

Ignore me, it's the hormones speaking.
Tempting.

[WhatIf]

We don't just arbitrarily bomb other countries. When bombing becomes necessary, we do it to take down their unscrupulous leaders. Yes, that's much worse than leaving things the way they are so that the murderous regime gets to do whatever they like. You might look beyond your history text, as well, and conduct some research into the amount of money we spend on each and every country we have ever invaded after the conflict is over. We remove their dictatorial leaders, help the country elect their own new leaders, then REBUILD their infrastructure for them. You're right, we're the bad guys. Tell you what, live 90 days as a citizen of any Middle Eastern nation and then form an opinion. Tell me how much you like living without Toonami and hot dogs. War happens and people get hurt in war, civilians and military alike. Without war, we'd still be a colony of Great Britain. Of course, since Britain was involved in the Gulf conflicts, you'd still have something to bitch about.
Yes, you sort of do bomb other countries arbitrarily. Here's a short list of some of the democracy and freedom USA has been spreading throughout the galaxy. As you can see below, you really do spend tons of money on the countries you've invaded.

1953 U.S overthrew prime minister Mossdeq of Iran and installed Shah as dictator.

1953, U.S overthrew democratically-elected president Arbens of Guatemala --> 200,000 civilians killed

Vietnam war, U.S killed 4 million people in southeast Asia.

1973, U.S assasinated democratically-elected president Allende of Chile and installed Augusto Pinochet as dictator. --->5,000 Chileans killed.

1977 U.S backed military rulers of El Salvador. ---> 70,000 Salvadorans killed.

1980, U.S trained terrorists to kill soviets and gave them $3 billion.

1982, U.S provided billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983, U.S secretly gave Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.

1989, CIA agent manuel Noriega(president of Panama) disobeyed orders from Washington. U.S invaded Panama and removed him. ---> 3,000 Panamanian civilians killed.


1988 to 1992, U.S backed Mexican dictatorship and exported $214 million in arms to this regime.

1990, Iraq invaded kuwait with weapons from U.S. 1991 U.S entered iraq. ----> dictator of Kuwait reinstated.

1998 Clinton bombed a "weapons factory" in Sudan which turned out to be making aspirin.

After the first gulf war officially ended and before the second one started, according to U.N estimates 500,000 Iraqi children have died from U.S bombings and sanctions.

200-01, U.S gave Taliban ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid"

I'm sure U.S has done some good too. And' yes i'm aware that U.S saved our asses in WW2. I'm just saying that quite often you are being the bad guys.

You should try looking at the big picture before you open your mouth. Pollution is not just a problem in the US. It does not stop at our borders. Stop blaming us for the problems of the rest of the world.
I'm aware of that. I just think Bush administration should have a break from kissing corporate ass and sign the fucking pact which would have a big effect on the world.

In the first post i was just trying to say (if i recall correctly) that Bush fucked up in Iraq big time.

Still the hormones speaking.

[WhatIf]

Of course it's ethical, it always is. Had the United States not intervened in WWII, you folks in Finland would have become part of The Final Solution along with the rest of the world. Your ethics just got thrown out the window. It's always American lives being sacrficed to save the rest of the world from tyrants. I was opposing to the Iraq war but i guess didn't make my point clear enough. So i oppose starting an unnecessary war (like in Iraq). USA didn't start WW2. And i'm very thankful of saving our asses back then.

[ron]

So, I found one of the possible the web sites you could have pulled your information from:
http://www.thegiganticheartlessmultinati onalcorporation.com/id513.htm

There are dozens of sites which all have the same laundry list, presumably copied from one another. There isn't much here beyond a date and a short blurb about what we did wrong as a nation, but that seems to satisfy the anti-Americans out there. You seem to have copied and pasted straight from one of these web sites. Why not unplug and do the research yourself? Put the date and event into context and perspective. Try it. You might find out that these spin doctors are not telling the whole truth.

Yes, you sort of do bomb other countries arbitrarily. Here's a short list of some of the democracy and freedom USA has been spreading throughout the galaxy. As you can see below, you really do spend tons of money on the countries you've invaded.
No, we sort of don't arbitrarily bomb countries. Arbitrarily means "determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle." We did not bomb most of the countries in the events you listed and our government had reasons for participating in each. Contrary to what you may have seen on television, our leaders do not wake up one morning and think to themselves, "Gawd-damn, I think today would be a great day to bomb Finland back into the Stone Age. Yee-haw!"

1953 U.S overthrew prime minister Mossdeq of Iran and installed Shah as dictator.

1953, U.S overthrew democratically-elected president Arbens of Guatemala --> 200,000 civilians killed
Let's see. That so-called "democratic election" consisted of votes from the upper-class who supported Arbens and votes forced through extortion from some industrialists and landowners who did not support Arbens, but who wanted to keep their assets. The majority of the citizens did not get to participate in these "free elections." Our forces didn't kill many civilians, but the Arbens regime certainly did. The statement would more properly read, "US overthrew dictator elected through rigged elections. During the conflict some 200,000 civilians were killed by revolutionary and government forces in Guatemala." That's fair.

Vietnam war, U.S killed 4 million people in southeast Asia.
The French begged that we become involved in a conflict they started, then pulled out completely as soon as our troops began to arrive. The French really remind me of those kids who start shit and then expect their friends for fight for them. According to the Agence France Presse (French Press Agency):

"...the true civilian casualties of the Vietnam War were 2,000,000 in the north, and 2,000,000 in the south. Military casualties were 1.1 million killed and 600,000 wounded in 21 years of war. These figures were deliberately falsified during the war by the North Vietnamese
Communists to avoid demoralizing the population."

This is in addition to the 223,748 South Vietnamese soldiers and 58,148 American soldiers killed during service.

You should note that these statistics do not include 101,511 Hoi Chanh killed by the Viet Cong during the conflict.

1973, U.S assasinated democratically-elected president Allende of Chile and installed Augusto Pinochet as dictator. --->5,000 Chileans killed.
Another of those "free and democratic elections" South American countries are famous for.

1977 U.S backed military rulers of El Salvador. ---> 70,000 Salvadorans killed.

1980, U.S trained terrorists to kill soviets and gave them $3 billion.

1982, U.S provided billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983, U.S secretly gave Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.

1989, CIA agent manuel Noriega(president of Panama) disobeyed orders from Washington. U.S invaded Panama and removed him. ---> 3,000 Panamanian civilians killed.
He wasn't an agent, he was the president of Panama working with the CIA.

1988 to 1992, U.S backed Mexican dictatorship and exported $214 million in arms to this regime.

1990, Iraq invaded kuwait with weapons from U.S. 1991 U.S entered iraq. ----> dictator of Kuwait reinstated.

1998 Clinton bombed a "weapons factory" in Sudan which turned out to be making aspirin.

After the first gulf war officially ended and before the second one started, according to U.N estimates 500,000 Iraqi children have died from U.S bombings and sanctions.

200-01, U.S gave Taliban ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid"

I'm sure U.S has done some good too. And' yes i'm aware that U.S saved our asses in WW2. I'm just saying that quite often you are being the bad guys.
Yes, we have done a great many good things for the world at large. Our government has also done some questionable maneuvering, in retrospect. That's called politics. Perhaps you've heard of it? It has been happening since the dawn of human evolution. It is easy for us to sit back and point fingers at particular incidents in history, casting jusgement. However, world climate was different during each of the incidents you listed above and the laundry list you found has been taken completely out of context. We happen to be a relatively young nation, so our short history is easier to track. Also note that our entire history as an independent nation has taken place since the advent of the printing press. This is significant because it has allowed widespread dissemination of information.

But none of that was done arbitrarily. You've provided some of the reasons in your post, but no real depth because you did not research the events at all.

Speaking of politics, I have another web site for you:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.co m/Foreign%20relations%20of%20Finlan d

It's about Finland. I must confess a general lack of knowledge regarding Finnish foreign policy and political maneuvering. That may, in itself, say something about Finland.

[ron]

I was opposing to the Iraq war but i guess didn't make my point clear enough. So i oppose starting an unnecessary war (like in Iraq). USA didn't start WW2. And i'm very thankful of saving our asses back then.
You're welcome. I just really get sick of our nation, which has helped so many others, being the whipping boy for the rest of the world. We're not the only country in the world that has done things other countries don't like. Criticize someone else for a change. Here, try these:

Criticize the French for not standing up to anyone. The French Foreign Legionnaires are some of the finest soldiers I have ever met and fought alongside, but their government constantly shits on them.

Criticize Chile and Argentina for their farcical "democratic elections."

Criticize Iraq for invading Kuwait.

Criticize Israel for constantly stirring up shit in the Middle East.

Criticize Columbia for allowing known producers and exporters of drugs to continue their operations.

Criticize Thaliand for the same reason.

Criticize Afghanistan, Libya, Malaysia, and many, many more countries for sheltering known terrorist organizations.

Get the fuck off the USA.

[WhatIf]

We're not the only country in the world that has done things other countries don't like. Criticize someone else for a change. Here, try these: ......

Get the fuck off the USA.
Before this thread got out of hand it was about U.S actions in Iraq, not other countries fucking up elsewhere. I just couldn't help posting that irrelevant shit about past U.S fuck-ups. Btw i didn't actually copy it from a site, but you're right about me not doing enough research on it. And i know the events were out of context and perspective, i was just trying to underline the fact that USA isn't always unselfishly defending democracy.

[ron]

Before this thread got out of hand it was about U.S actions in Iraq, not other countries fucking up elsewhere. I just couldn't help posting that irrelevant shit about past U.S fuck-ups. Btw i didn't actually copy it from a site, but you're right about me not doing enough research on it. And i know the events were out of context and perspective, i was just trying to underline the fact that USA isn't always unselfishly defending democracy.
Well, you could have not posted that stupid list. That would have been a start. Irrelevant is right. They're not fuck-ups; they are examples of leaders of the United States of America acting in accordance with their conscience and political agendas. Nothing arbitrary about it.

Let me underline something for you. I'll spell it out for you in small words: the USA does not have to always be out unselfishly defending democracy. Whomever came up with that load of idealistic horse shit has obviously lost touch with reality. Our nation protects its interests, at home and abroad. We're just like any other nation in that respect, except that we have the military power and resources to back up our policies. Iraq had a regime that had become brutal toward its own people and had become a political risk from our perspective. We removed that regime from power and we are now rebuilding that country, assuming the assholes we freed will stop shooting at our people. Once the situation has stabilized, they can proceed as an independent nation with a government friendly toward us. Kuwait no longer has to worry about Iraq invading, Iraq and Iran can stop fighting for a change, we protect our interests in the Middle East, and the Iraqi people will hopefully enjoy a better standard of living. Everyone who matters in this equation wins.

Would we all like a world where there is no hunger, no crime, and no avarice? Sure. Is that ever going to happen? Why not hold your breath until it does?

[Solanaceae]

"never criticize a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."
Man, you know what's good about that? Because then when you critisise him, you will be a mile away. And you will have his shoes. ;)

[WhatIf]

Nevermind. This is pointless.

[ron]

"never criticize a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes."
Man, you know what's good about that? Because then when you critisise him, you will be a mile away. And you will have his shoes. ;)
That's true. Good point.

[yowatupdogg]

were is this what if guy from




we have not fucked up in iraq evne know i don't agree with the war we are helping to keep other countrys safe by trying to eliminat terroisits so i htink other countries should love us''


so fuck all u countrys who hate us


the french suck :mfinger:

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pain can be such a horrible thing :sword:

[_Kitana_]

I am proud to finally find other pro american and pro Operation Iraqi freedom....

on another board...

i posted a thing called sacrifice

you know it talked about the american soldier...

an ignorant stupid ass said our american soldiers have sacrifced nothing

it was desire...

wtf...

screw him and his desire to judge our troops with out ever truly known...

screw the rest of you who think the same as well

[yowatupdogg]

god bless the soilders i hope for a safe mission for are soliders.

do u thik they like hearing that they have done nothin from people in the u.s.a if iwas a soilder i would feel sad that some people in my own country say i have sacricfed nothin.


now i love the u.s.a it is awsome but i don't like the people who just treat are solilders like dirt


the french suck :sword:





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pain can be such a horrible thing :sword:

[_Kitana_]

No our soldiers don't like hearing that

in fact it makes them sad, it makes the qustion why they are there, what they are fighting for...b ut it those of us who support them that carry them through, it is the duty, honor...their own personal strenght that make them stand tall....

[Solanaceae]

I am proud to finally find other pro american and pro Operation Iraqi freedom....

on another board...

i posted a thing called sacrifice

you know it talked about the american soldier...

an ignorant stupid ass said our american soldiers have sacrifced nothing

it was desire...

wtf...

screw him and his desire to judge our troops with out ever truly known...

screw the rest of you who think the same as well
No offence here, but i am yet to see something that tells of a specific date at which you will be able to have a stable Iraq without american presence. The public of Iraq has too much support for terror cells for the country to be stable. So I don't really see it as operation Iraqi freedom, I just can't see it happening.

[_Kitana_]

No offence here, but i am yet to see something that tells of a specific date at which you will be able to have a stable Iraq without american presence. The public of Iraq has too much support for terror cells for the country to be stable. So I don't really see it as operation Iraqi freedom, I just can't see it happening.
Do you think thats just a name lol

no when you get your orders to go over there

in support of Operation: Iraqi Freedom

No maybe not right now we can not allow them, maybe not for awhile...

it will take a LONG time for Iraq to rebuild a country...

I am just hoping with in the next year or so they will be stablized enough where they are not murdering massive of people

just hard to say

[Solanaceae]

True.

[yowatupdogg]

kitana is a true blue american :thumbsup:




the french suck :mfinger:








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pain can be such a horrible thing :sword:

[badassmtbiker]

Do you think thats just a name lol

no when you get your orders to go over there

in support of Operation: Iraqi Freedom

No maybe not right now we can not allow them, maybe not for awhile...

it will take a LONG time for Iraq to rebuild a country...

I am just hoping with in the next year or so they will be stablized enough where they are not murdering massive of people

just hard to say

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your point of view - just curious, though -

do you think in sentence fragments like the above post? At what point did you think, "hey, I'll click submit and people will understand what I'm trying to say"

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your point of view - just curious, though -

do you think in sentence fragments like the above post? At what point did you think, "hey, I'll click submit and people will understand what I'm trying to say"
I tought she was typing with one hand.. I just figured she was a crip.

[badassmtbiker]

I tought she was typing with one hand.. I just figured she was a crip.


Shit. I always forget that. My bad, Kit. Nothing but love for the handicapped.

[_Kitana_]

no was talking to my hubby while posting that. So was not really paying much attention here I will repost it now that I have nothing better to do.

Do you think that “Operation: Iraqi Freedom” is just a name. when you get your orders to go over there it says in support of Operation: Iraqi Freedom, so it’s a little more then just some words the news uses, it means the next 589 days of your life.

Anyways as for your question…

As of right now, we can not allow Iraq to have control of its country with out the occupation of our US Troops, helping to ensure peace. You have to understand it is going to take a LONG time for Iraq to rebuild a country...I am just hoping with in the next year or so they will be stabilized enough to where they are not murdering massive of people and educated enough to realize the Americans and Collation troops are not their to strip them off all their values and rape their virgin daughters. This is a very complex and hard war to understand. It has both good and bad points and its just hard to say when we will be able to pull our troops out.

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no was talking to my hubby while posting that. So was not really paying much attention here I will repost it now that I have nothing better to do.

Do you think that “Operation: Iraqi Freedom” is just a name. when you get your orders to go over there it says in support of Operation: Iraqi Freedom, so it’s a little more then just some words the news uses, it means the next 589 days of your life.

Anyways as for your question…

As of right now, we can not allow Iraq to have control of its country with out the occupation of our US Troops, helping to ensure peace. You have to understand it is going to take a LONG time for Iraq to rebuild a country...I am just hoping with in the next year or so they will be stabilized enough to where they are not murdering massive of people and educated enough to realize the Americans and Collation troops are not their to strip them off all their values and rape their virgin daughters. This is a very complex and hard war to understand. It has both good and bad points and its just hard to say when we will be able to pull our troops out.

Holy shit.. Sentences!

[_Kitana_]

Holy shit.. Sentences!

lol

Fucking Asshole.

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lol

Fucking Asshole.


Wow.. Impressive, did you and your husband work together on that one?

[badassmtbiker]

Holy shit.. Sentences!


OMFG - dude.. I just shot water outta my nose. For the record - water is not one of the worst drinks to come out the nose.

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OMFG - dude.. I just shot water outta my nose. For the record - water is not one of the worst drinks to come out the nose.

WTF are doing man? Water? It's after 10am..

[badassmtbiker]

WTF are doing man? Water? It's after 10am..

I'm Irish. Water = whiskey

[_Kitana_]

Wow.. Impressive, did you and your husband work together on that one?

no my husband is on a seven day mission right now, I have no idea where he is at. You can say whatever you want to me, but out of respect for my husband I ask that you leave him out of it please.

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no my husband is on a seven day mission right now, I have no idea where he is at. You can say whatever you want to me, but out of respect for my husband I ask that you leave him out of it please.
Word! I don't like it when people talk about my wife either.. It's not thier fault we are on here. Wish granted~ That's all

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[badassmtbiker]

Word! I don't like it when people talk about my wife either.. It's not thier fault we are on here. Wish granted~ That's all

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But your wife's hot.

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But your wife's hot.
Yeah!!and I have been a good boy~ Whoohoo~


The first time my wife came up to work, my boss goes.. You were a big HS football star weren't you.. What an asshole!! It was funny as hell though.

[badassmtbiker]

Yeah!!and I have been a good boy~ Whoohoo~


The first time my wife came up to work, my boss goes.. You were a big HS football star weren't you.. What an asshole!! It was funny as hell though.

Oh, she's put on a few pounds, then, eh? Alright... just fuckin with ya.. I'll leave the missus alone.

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Oh, she's put on a few pounds, then, eh? Alright... just fuckin with ya.. I'll leave the missus alone.

I am not sure I understand.. What's new...

[badassmtbiker]

I am not sure I understand.. What's new...

it could be the water talkin ;)

[_Kitana_]

got kind of a funny story related to this...

Family day my husband last night of basic when we got to walk around and meet his Drill Sergeant.

Jesse and his battle buddy where trying to sneak a coke before they had to be back for roll call. I was standing their and the drill Sergeant walks up and now when a drill sergeants approaching you even if your not in the military these guys demand respect.

"hey...what are you boys doing?"

Drill Sergeant nothing, just getting my girlfriend a coke Drill Sergeant.

now this guy is not stupid and there is 5 dollars in this pop machine. Drill Sergeant looks over at me and goes

This pretty girl your girlfriend PVT?

Yes Drill Sergeant she is my girlfriend.

Do you love her?

Yes Drill Sergeant I love her very much.

Do you love her more then the army, more then your country, more then me

No Drill sergeant couldn't love her more then you sir.

Ok i was like wtf...

Then the drill sergeant goes, I think you hurt her feelings, I don't think you love her pvt...

Drill Sergeant I love her...

I think she going to cry, he turns to me you going to cry...

No, I think you might make me cry though lol (wrong answer)

PVT... I want you drop for this pretty girl cause you made me make her cry

Yes Drill Sergeant.

Umm... no... I’m not crying...

His battle buddy is standing there no emotion what so ever on his face

Son are you finding this funny

No Drill Sergeant...

Do you love this pretty girl

Drill Sergeant she is very pretty, Drill Sergeant but she is my battle buddies girl... Drill Sergant

So you don't love her.

Yes, Drill Sergeant I don't love her

How can you love your battle buddy if you don't love his woman... Drop..

I was like what the fuck is this...

He turns to me and goes what did you want.

A coke...Sir... pretty much at this time i was unsure what to call him... and was trying not to smile at the fact i had to guys being smoked...

Drill sergeant pops me out a coke and gets himself one. Looks at the two boys

Now me and this fine young ladies are going to drink our coke and when we get done boys you can have a couple of nice cold lemonade.

That better not keep you up all night cause come 3 am, you get to wake up to my smiling face one last time. I had shorts on at the time and I have a scare on my right leg from last 4th of july when my husband and his best friend blew me up with a firework…

Drill Sergeant looks down and goes to me that’s one heck of a scar on your leg.

Yes, Jesse, and his best friends were goofing off with a firework and blew a whole in my leg, hope you trained them better (ok…yeah…lets just say at this point I realized I should of probably shut up long before this)

PVT SHELAFOE….

Yes Drill Sergeant…

Did you put this scare in her leg.

Yes Drill Sergeant…

Didn’t we teach you how to handle you explosive right?

Yes Drill Sergeant… but that was before I met you Drill Sergeant

Lets just say repeat above drank another coke with his drill sergeant. lol

[ron]

no was talking to my hubby while posting that. So was not really paying much attention here I will repost it now that I have nothing better to do.
I thought your husband was overseas fighting the good fight.

[ron]

no my husband is on a seven day mission right now, I have no idea where he is at. You can say whatever you want to me, but out of respect for my husband I ask that you leave him out of it please.
Then, how were you talking to him? Gosh, I never got to talk to my wife when I was deployed.

[ron]

Question: what branch of the service is your husband in?

No Drill sergeant couldn't love her more then you sir.

A coke...Sir... pretty much at this time i was unsure what to call him... and was trying not to smile at the fact i had to guys being smoked...

No one calls a Drill Sergeant "sir" without ending up pushing the world down a few inches. For that matter, no one who goes to "Basic Training," as opposed to Boot Camp, calls an NCO "sir."

[_Kitana_]

Then, how were you talking to him? Gosh, I never got to talk to my wife when I was deployed.

Umm he does get to call me ever so often, not alot... just enough to let me know he is alright

[ron]

Umm he does get to call me ever so often, not alot... just enough to let me know he is alrightAnd what branch is he in?

[_Kitana_]

Question: what branch of the service is your husband in?


No one calls a Drill Sergeant "sir" without ending up pushing the world down a few inches. For that matter, no one who goes to "Basic Training," as opposed to Boot Camp, calls an NCO "sir."

I could I wasn't in fucking basic

lol

What the hell was I suppose to call him... he not my drill sergeant... I was just there picking up my boyfriend on his last day of basic for family day

why the fuck are you attacking me

if you notice my husband and his battle buddy didn't call him sir
it was just something funny the drill dergeant did for their last night there

[_Kitana_]

And what branch is he in?

he in the enegineer core

153rd

bravo company

why you want to write him

can give you the fucking addy

[ron]

he in the enegineer core
Engineer Corps.

153rd
153rd what, based out of where?

why you want to write him

can give you the fucking addy
Nope, just curious. You've been giving the impression that he is in a combat arm.

[_Kitana_]

Engineer Corps.


153rd what, based out of where?


Nope, just curious. You've been giving the impression that he is in a combat arm.

No... I don't really fucking no what he is or how to classify him... He the dude that runs around and disarms bombs, and blows shit up... and builds bridges and crap...

he did however tell me, to start ripping the patches off his uniform and send them to him...

i guess they have a bounty on the two Engineer groups out there for $25,000 or $2,500 he was talking pretty fast so I didn't catch it...

and I am not going to give you to much more info about what base and stuff just for the protection of him... at least not in a forum where everyone can read it

[ron]

I could I wasn't in fucking basic
Do you actually read what you type? The way it's written, you have a private, still in Basic Training, calling a DS "sir" in response to the drill sergeant's questions. Even if you meant to convey that y ou were speaking, which you did not, dependents and girlfriends usually have more respond for the 'round than that.

why the fuck are you attacking me
I am not attacking you. However, I note certain...discrepencies. I'm just trying to understand, because I really, really hate posers. I do attack posers.

[_Kitana_]

Do you actually read what you type? The way it's written, you have a private, still in Basic Training, calling a DS "sir" in response to the drill sergeant's questions. Even if you meant to convey that y ou were speaking, which you did not, dependents and girlfriends usually have more respond for the 'round than that.


I am not attacking you. However, I note certain...discrepencies. I'm just trying to understand, because I really, really hate posers. I do attack posers.

not a posers ron

trust me on this one... I didn't have much to say to someone yelling at my b/f and making him drop..i was just trying to keep jesse out of trouble.... i got him in lots and lots of trouble in basic.. lol

for like the first 3 weeks i and my friends wrote on the outside of his letters, on the envelope... lol

BIG MISTAKE...

And i can't clearly remember every detail word that was said, was trying to tell you that I sat and drank 2 cokes with my husband DS why he smoked him and his battle buddy for the pure fucking fun of it...

[ron]

No... I don't really fucking no what he is or how to classify him... He the dude that runs around and disarms bombs, and blows shit up... and builds bridges and crap...
That's generally a combat engineer. It could also be a sapper, which is a more specialized combat engineer; sappers are generally reservists.

he did however tell me, to start ripping the patches off his uniform and send them to him... That makes no sense.

i guess they have a bounty on the two Engineer groups out there for $25,000 or $2,500 he was talking pretty fast so I didn't catch it...
So, he's calling you from overseas. Nifty. I never got to do that. Then again, I was in a combat arm. Not a whole lotta OPSEC going on there, if he's telling you about a bounty having been placed on his unit.

and I am not going to give you to much more info about what base and stuff just for the protection of him... at least not in a forum where everyone can read it
Uh huh...But, he's deployed, right? So, telling where he is stationed really poses not threat to him. If he is deployed, then hoo-ah. Good for him; it builds character.

[The_DEA]

this is the longest thread i've ever seen
i tryed to join the military they wouldent let me i have a felonoy

[GottaHurt]

this is the longest thread i've ever seen
i tryed to join the military they wouldent let me i have a felonoy

A felonoy? Is that like a Fedora with a long peacock feather sticking out of it?

[The_DEA]

A felonoy? Is that like a Fedora with a long peacock feather sticking out of it?
you dont know what a felony is

[ron]

this is the longest thread i've ever seen
i tryed to join the military they wouldent let me i have a felonoy
Bummer. I wish they'd let my cousin join in exchange for letting him out of prison. He'd do the world a lot of good in the Army or Marines.

[_Kitana_]

I don't personaly know a whole lot of shit about what jesse or his unit is doing over there...

the patches was about him telling me about how him and a few other guys where trying to figure out how to send them in for the money lol

He is deployed... his last camp he was at was Camp Anaconda.... then he was suppose to go to a camp cooke, but that changed and I have no clue where he is at now really...

they let them call home to let us know they was alright, he told me that, and he wasn't at a real camp and our support group is working on getting us a new adress...

and thats probally more info then i should be posting on a board... the bounty thing is something i don't think he can't tell us...consedering everything else i ask him is stuff he can't tell

[The_DEA]

Bummer. I wish they'd let my cousin join in exchange for letting him out of prison. He'd do the world a lot of good in the Army or Marines.
i wanna go kill sand niggers

[GottaHurt]

you dont know what a felony is

Oh, a FELONY.

[The_DEA]

Oh, a FELONY.
yepper fuckin state they pulled me over and i got aressted fo haveing my shotgun in my truck

[The_DEA]

yepper fuckin state they pulled me over and i got aressted fo haveing my shotgun in my truck
intent to discharge a fire arm within city limits assholes

[ron]

intent to discharge a fire arm within city limits assholes
Sounds like they were grasping...

[_Kitana_]

Sounds like they are fucking stupid

[The_DEA]

Sounds like they are fucking stupid
yep they are and last night there was a dog in my back yard so i called animal controll and they told ma to keep it captive or shoot it isent that some shit

[yowatupdogg]

i am suprised u didn't eat it


u always saying u are a redneck and such :confused:

[_Kitana_]

i am suprised u didn't eat it


u always saying u are a redneck and such :confused:

how did this thread turn into roasting and eating dogs

[GottaHurt]

how did this thread turn into roasting and eating dogs

Because the morons showed up, once again, with nothing pertinent to say. It started out as a good thread.

[yowatupdogg]

:mfinger: :mfinger: :mfinger:

like i care


anyways were is that lobo guy he is crzy

[hove420]

my brother is in iraq again this time for a year...it sucks man

[hove420]

i think you all should actually read denigrated's posts. i mean yea he has some sense in them. dumbasses

[bigck3000]

This is like the oldest thread i've ever seen.... bad form. :thumbsdn: :thumbsdn:

[junglizm]

my brother is in iraq again this time for a year...it sucks man
Hey jackass, don't revive extremely old threads.