Football

[eh what?]

First i'd like to say, you americans are idiots. You stole the name of our game and then you go and use it in a sport where you throw the ball to each other?? :rolleyes: and then you have the cheek to try and convince the world that our sport should be called soccer.

sounds like every other 'american' invention in history...supersonic flight for example. :mfinger:

sort it out

[Jack]

First i'd like to say, you americans are idiots. You stole the name of our game and then you go and use it in a sport where you throw the ball to each other?? :rolleyes: and then you have the cheek to try and convince the world that our sport should be called soccer.

sounds like every other 'american' invention in history...supersonic flight for example. :mfinger:

sort it out


Okay.

Last time I checked, the BellX-1 had a USAF decal on the side. Right?

Soccer? Who gives a fuck.

[thekid65]

So, by your logic, rugby should be played with rugs, hockey with ham-hocks, and cricket with crickets :confused:

[Unspun]

sort it out

you're a douche.

enough said. :happysad:

[eh what?]

Okay.

Last time I checked, the BellX-1 had a USAF decal on the side. Right?

Soccer? Who gives a fuck.

yes, but the technology was stolen from the british in a supposed swap of information which ended up being one-sided.

And its funny how you live in a country where fat fucks watch fat fucks run at each other from a yard away yet you have the audacity to insult football as a sport.

lets compare the two.

American handball:
fat fuckers throwing a 'ball' that isn't round to slightly thinner fat fucks who managed to dodge the two lines of fat fucks falling forwards into each other using primarily their weight as an advantage. A touch down is scored by catching the 'ball' or carrying it into the end-zone (fair-enough, that is appropriatley named). Games can last 4 hours (which requires a lot of sitting on a sofa drinking beer and eating fatty snacks) and 'plays' last maybe 20 seconds at a time. So not only are they fat but they aren't even very fit and to make it easier they have a defense and an offensive team?? and every play is dictated by the coach. wtf?? so lets review:

skill required - very little
fitness required - very little
thinking required - very little

English football:
young extremely fit and athletic people (men & women) KICKING a ball with their FOOT to each other in an attempt to score a goal, which is an area inside the posts and cross bar and also the goal of the game. Games are limited to an hour and a half and are pretty much non-stop apart from half-time and only 3 substitutions can be made. Players have to rely on their creativity and adaptation of tactics made by the coach at the start and at half-time.

skill required - high
fitness - high
thinking required - high

so its sounds like the typical european/american divide in culture, intelligence, fitness and finesse versus brute strength. Try watching a premier league match fuckers, you might learn something about actual sport.

And Rugby was invented in rugby (Football is actually a derivative of rugby), Hockey refers to a whole number of sports and is a sport so old (4000 years old) that the word hockey has no relevance to its origins. And cricket is beleived to have derived from the french croquet which are supposed to have common origins.

stupid americans, i should have put this in bait and tackle

[thekid65]

i should have put this in bait and tackle

I certainly hope a moderator moves it, so I can address you properly.

[eh what?]

I certainly hope a moderator moves it, so I can address you properly.

im sure you will, i would pass the lube but i've got a feeling you dont need it

:-

[Hater808]

Ah, le sigh

[Phrosty]

Blah blah blah, England!

But we have dentists. :tongue:

[ready_aim_rock]

You've just been baited and tackled. Remember: Down the highway, not across the road.

[thekid65]

But we have dentists. :tongue:

Actually, in his defense, they have them there too...but with that wonderful free health care system they have, takes about a year to get in, so they just end up pulling their own teeth.

[[BERSERKER]]

Girls and fucking communists play soccer.

That is all.

Oh, and the US military doesn't get a day off for the World Cup. Super Bowl- Half day and a hangover day.

Of course, to be totally fair-

When I was in the middle east and we were working with the Brits, they sparked an interest in us with soccer. We actually sat around drinking (bootlegged) whiskey and listening to the games together. It was fun.

[Soez]

sounds like every other 'american' invention in history...supersonic flight for example. :mfinger:

Oh yeah, it sucks so bad like every other American invention, like... the artificial pacemaker, defibrillator, nylon, air conditioner, escalator, hearing aid, revolver, and repeating rifle. And don't forget the gas chamber execution and the nuclear submarine. To name a few.

And supersonic flight isn't an invention, genius. It's a speed.

[Swid]

Besides your horrible generalizations about Americans, I agree whole-heartedly with American football being inferior to Soccer/Football argument.

[kich]

I wouldn't call football players fat/unfit. While I don't like either sport (both are a complete waste of time, imo) I would watch american football over europe. It takes some skill to weave through a horde of 300 lb. men that want to smash you into the dirt.

[thekid65]

Besides your horrible generalizations about Americans, I agree whole-heartedly with American football being inferior to Soccer/Football argument.


Cool, now this is whats called a civil discussion. Why do you think that it's "inferior"? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

[Señor Feester]

Soccer is a GREAT game............................. ........for women.

Did you say you didn't have to be fit to play American football? SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT. You outrun a 250 pound man running a 4.5. Soccer is fulll of pansy ass girly men. And it is soccer, not football.

[Gunslinger4887]

blah blah blah, I love buttsecks
That's pretty much what I read.

[Swid]

Cool, now this is whats called a civil discussion. Why do you think that it's "inferior"? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Well firstly, I think it's stupid we call football soccer. It's like how we're also the only ones to not use the metric system which is better and more efficient. I just associate the two because the name that should be used is so much more widely used and practical.

But off that rant is that it's just a much more... I guess intellectual sport. Football to me is mostly brute force. Almost any guy with the right build can pick up a football and play. It's mostly about smashing into other guys and any actual thought put into the sport is usually the work of the coach and his playbook. Whereas soccer, you really have to think to steal the ball, to keep the ball, to make a goal, and defend. You constantly have to make the smartest decision in your head as you're going. I'll even go to say that the players are more relentless than football players. In the rulebook, injury time outs are only called for during decapitation and disembowelment.

One reason I think Americans can't identify with soccer is that it's not as violent as football and hockey. Fans fine it insanely entertaining when fights break out and spurts of violence, but in the world of soccer, a yellow card is a pretty bad shame.

Billions of people watch soccer all over the world. Football gets a mere fraction of that. I dunno, it's just mine and billions of other opinion.

[Hater808]

I wouldn't call football players fat/unfit. While I don't like either sport (both are a complete waste of time, imo) I would watch american football over europe. It takes some skill to weave through a horde of 300 lb. men that want to smash you into the dirt.

IIIIIrrrrrooooonnnnnyyyyyyy

[Señor Feester]

Hater there a man that is 6'6'' and 300 pounds that runs a 40 in 5seconds is by no means unfit.

[thekid65]

Well firstly, I think it's stupid we call football soccer. It's like how we're also the only ones to not use the metric system which is better and more efficient. I just associate the two because the name that should be used is so much more widely used and practical.

Ummm.. we were talking football/soccer, werent we?

But off that rant is that it's just a much more... I guess intellectual sport. Football to me is mostly brute force. Almost any guy with the right build can pick up a football and play. It's mostly about smashing into other guys and any actual thought put into the sport is usually the work of the coach and his playbook. Whereas soccer, you really have to think to steal the ball, to keep the ball, to make a goal, and defend. You constantly have to make the smartest decision in your head as you're going. I'll even go to say that the players are more relentless than football players. In the rulebook, injury time outs are only called for during decapitation and disembowelment.

I couldnt disagree more. Albeit there is a lot of brute force in football, there is quite an intelligence factor also. Much like your game of soccer, there are schemes to be read, offensive plays to be implemented, defensive plays to be implemented, and quite a bit of strategy to the game. The difference is, all this has to be done with the thought that you could get knocked on your ass by a 300lb behemoth at any given time, and its legal, unlike in soccer. That, my friend, is pressure. The reason injury timeouts are infrequent in soccer, is that it is, by nature, a non-contact sport.

One reason I think Americans can't identify with soccer is that it's not as violent as football and hockey. Fans fine it insanely entertaining when fights break out and spurts of violence, but in the world of soccer, a yellow card is a pretty bad shame.

No, we dont identify with soccer for the simple reason is that it's a non-scoring game. We Americans like our action, and our points, ya see..and we fucking hate tie games. Someone has gotta win.

Billions of people watch soccer all over the world. Football gets a mere fraction of that. I dunno, it's just mine and billions of other opinion.

The reasoning behind that, is that it's the only sport most undeveloped countries can afford to play. The equipment needed is minimal. And thats why it's extremely popular in many 3rd world countries, which adds to the billions of viewers, IMO.

[Hater808]

Hater there a man that is 6'6'' and 300 pounds that runs a 40 in 5seconds is by no means unfit.

I agree, but there are some fatties on the teams. Even though they hold them to a pretty high fitness standard and speed. Well Minus the D line they just get to eat and push.

P.S - a 6'6 300 pound thing moving 40m in 5 sec is called a train.

[That1Guy]

skill required - very little
fitness required - very little
thinking required - very little


Umm... ok then?
I don't like American football personally, but im not going to deny that that you have to be extremely fit, have a lot of skill, and be a quick thinker to play it.

[Phrosty]

I've played both, and I must say that American football is much more difficult. And more fun.

[salty04]

I agree, but there are some fatties on the teams. Even though they hold them to a pretty high fitness standard and speed. Well Minus the D line they just get to eat and push.

P.S - a 6'6 300 pound thing moving 40m in 5 sec is called a train.

the d-line is in better shape than the o-line. oh and it requires technique to use what you call a push, here go to one of your big friends who played football... ask to see if you can push him back i promise you if he remembers you'll never be able to move him at all.

[Soez]

Here, let me provide you an unbiased view of the subject:

Football, requires you go hard all the time, cuz you get a little break at the end of each play. It has way more physical contact than soccer. It has more action.

Soccer, if you don't try your hardest on a couple of your possessions, it's likely no one will notice. However, I will say it requires more endurance than football. Also, while there's not as much physical contact there still is some. People still get hurt, just not as much as in football. It is slower paced, but still has a beauty to it, if you have the patience.

Both require intelligence to play the game. In both sports, plays are called, players need to be in a certain position, etc.

The biggest difference is in soccer, you must play both offense and defense, and it requires a bit more running.

Although, in soccer, you don't have the possibility of getting knocked on your ass by someone who weighs 300 pounds.

/end of unbiased view

[Phrosty]

Way to slow down a good argument, soez. You indecisive douche.

[ready_aim_rock]

Way to slow down a good argument, soez. You indecisive douche.

Threadjack time!

Are you a horny cannibal? Because "Jak_Phrost nipping at your nose" sounds either really fetish-y or cannibalistic.

[Phrosty]

Are you a horny cannibal? Because "Jak_Phrost nipping at your nose" sounds either really fetish-y or cannibalistic.

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again...:D

[Soez]

Way to slow down a good argument, soez. You indecisive douche.

Thank you. I relish in the role of providing the voice of reason, whilst others are shouting about football and soccer.

I will say, that I like watching football better. Soccer can be ok, but it's not that fun watching dudes kick the ball 30 yards back and forth, and seeing one shot every 10-15 minutes. It's alright to play though.

[funk]

you should change the title to SOCCER

[Phrosty]

you should change the title to SOCCER

Or: Euro's don't have Dentists.

[Gunslinger4887]

you should change the title to SOCCER
soccer is a more pussy name for the pussy ball kicking sport.

soccer:

Boring - Ball gets kicked around for what seems hours on end til someone finally scores, and when they do no one really knew it happened cause they just started to lose interest in it.

Gay - Short shorts... nuff said.

Skill - It is probably really challenging to kick the ball around in that fashion and to actually make a goal.... but what the fuck does it matter when it takes them forever to make it.

Tied games- nuh uh... fuck that, someone must win, otherwise it isn't a game, it's just dickin around for a few hours and wasting everyones time.



Football:

Use of all limbs - more variance to the game... it also speeds up the game because you aren't trying to kick it just the right way... go grab and fucking go.

Boring factor- none. unless you account timeouts - but that just leads to anticipation

Skill- Swid said all they need is a coach and a playbook ... do you really think the play ends up perfectly executing, sometimes defense/offense strats force someone to change (or make the qb try and find a different person to throw to) Other than that brute strength and a fast pair of legs and you are almost solid.


I feel the only reason why people complain that football is called soccer because it's a pussy sounding name.

WELL GUESS WHAT YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE CLAIM OVER WHAT WE CALL OUR OWN SHIT SO GO SUCK A COCK AS WE INFLUENCE THE REST OF THE WORLD TO CALL YOUR PUSSY SPORT A PUSSY NAME!

[Happytoad]

The reason Americans call the game soccer and not football is simple. The answer lies in the fact that we don't use the metric system, we don't play cricket we play baseball, and every other single difference beteween the two countries. We as Americans have embraced just about everything that is not embraced by the UK I could go on for ever here but I'll stop at that we name things the way we do, we do the thing that we do as a spit in the eye of everything British.:solved:

[CanadianAce3]

I personally love football (American), but thats because I love to bet on it...regardless both sports require a high amount of skill

Just recently I have started watching soccer or football w/e...and I find it interesting to a degree but its not something I can sit there and watch unless I have a favourite team...

anyone can pick up a football or kick around a ball and be able to play it...they are both generally easy sports

A sport that is harder that not everyone can just play is hockey...you have to be able to skate on the ice and be able to manauver in order to play hockey...that takes skill to start playing, plus is more intense in my opinion than soccer and football...yet at times football can be much more exciting due to how close the score of the game is

[Happytoad]

You want to talk about maneuvering then look no further then Barry Sanders or Sweetness; or for that matter any player in football that either runs with and or catch a football. That right there is maneuvering.

[Woodreaux]

Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for Soccer players. To be a good team in that sport requires a ton of athleticism, tactical awareness, spirit and teamwork. But it is so Woodreaux-damned boring and monotonous to watch. Great game to play, zero entertainment value.

Now about our game...

skill required - very little
fitness required - very little
thinking required - very littleBullshit, bullshit and bullshit. The fact that the ball must stay off of the ground most the time is a clear metric of the skill involved. The ball-handlers' and secondary's constant sprinting and the lineman's relentless battles are a testament to their fitness. While the play reading, changes and on the spot adaptations done by players in every position on both sides of the ball demand constant and quick thinking.
Strategy, tactics and execution are all measurable traits. If you think American Football is a mindless sport, without rhyme and reason, then you probably don't understand what's going on. It's one of the most complicated and constantly sports in existence. And it kicks so much ass.

[What The Funk]

I'm going for the Giants against the undefeated Pats but after tonight the pats will no longer be undefeated

[sharkybyte]

American handball:
fat fuckers throwing a 'ball' that isn't round to slightly thinner fat fucks who managed to dodge the two lines of fat fucks falling forwards into each other using primarily their weight as an advantage. A touch down is scored by catching the 'ball' or carrying it into the end-zone (fair-enough, that is appropriatley named). Games can last 4 hours (which requires a lot of sitting on a sofa drinking beer and eating fatty snacks) and 'plays' last maybe 20 seconds at a time. So not only are they fat but they aren't even very fit and to make it easier they have a defense and an offensive team?? and every play is dictated by the coach. wtf?? so lets review:

skill required - very little
fitness required - very little
thinking required - very little



I never did like American Football that much but to say what you just mentioned above is just plain stupid. I've watched games quite a few times... maybe 1-4 games in a season and this would be my review:

Football:
SKILL REQUIRED: HIGH
FITNESS: VERY HIGH
THINKING REQUIRED: HIGH
FUN FACTOR: HIGH
FANS: NORMAL

Soccer:
SKILL REQUIRED: HIGH
FITNESS: HIGH
THINKING REQUIRED: HIGH
FUN FACTOR: MEDIUM ( I Honestly think it's a low... but hey, if more than half of the world loves it, there must be something to it.)
FANS: STUPID (engages in riots before even the game ends, and blasts other sports just because the name is the same as their beloved sport).

[Stardust]

Football:
SKILL REQUIRED: HIGH
FITNESS: VERY HIGH
THINKING REQUIRED: HIGH
FUN FACTOR: HIGH
FANS: NORMAL

Soccer:
SKILL REQUIRED: HIGH
FITNESS: HIGH
THINKING REQUIRED: HIGH
FUN FACTOR: MEDIUM ( I Honestly think it's a low... but hey, if more than half of the world loves it, there must be something to it.)
FANS: STUPID (engages in riots before even the game ends, and blasts other sports just because the name is the same as their beloved sport).

Yes! thank you, someone beat me to it to say that. Both require alot of fitness, brainpower and skill. But there is a difference in soccerfans and soccerhooligans(watch the movie, hooligans with Elijah Wood). :happysad:
the fun factor in soccer though is when they are skilled, it's fun to watch them do all their tricks and such. I don't really see anything wrong with calling it soccer when I talk to Americans. Because when I talk about Football here, I say American Football, so people will know the difference. Stop being such..boxes,unwilling to change a word just so it doesnt give confusion. :happysad:

[YoungYesrod]

First i'd like to say, you americans are idiots. You stole the name of our game and then you go and use it in a sport where you throw the ball to each other?? :rolleyes: and then you have the cheek to try and convince the world that our sport should be called soccer.

sounds like every other 'american' invention in history...supersonic flight for example. :mfinger:

sort it out

Oh no you di'int! Football (yes the REAL football, not your European trash) is the shit and not only takes an extreme amount of fitness and determination, but also finesse. Your little soccer wimps sit out of the game crying every time some bonehead headbutts them. Football players get hit with a rock hard helmet every single play of every single game, get up and hit back! Get your weak ass European trash outta here.

[53V3N]

Oh no you di'int! Football (yes the REAL football, not your European trash) is the shit and not only takes an extreme amount of fitness and determination, but also finesse. Your little soccer wimps sit out of the game crying every time some bonehead headbutts them. Football players get hit with a rock hard helmet every single play of every single game, get up and hit back! Get your weak ass European trash outta here.

Look how agressive futbol (soccer) is and they don't have pads or helmets.

[YoungYesrod]

Look how agressive futbol (soccer) is and they don't have pads or helmets.

Aggressive?? Agressive?? They barely touch each other. They may not have pads but they literally never touch eachother except kicking eachothers shins (where they DO have pads). Football players constantly manhandle eachother which shows a test of strength, and the rest of the players are either running for their life or tackling a guy with all their strength.

Tell you what, go up to Warren Sapp and tell him football is a pussy sport.

[53V3N]

Tell you what, go up to Warren Sapp and tell him football is a pussy sport.

Why would I mis-represent myself to a person I don't even know?

[Tostig]

Threadjack time!

Are you a horny cannibal? Because "Jak_Phrost nipping at your nose" sounds either really fetish-y or cannibalistic.

it's not threadjacking if you announce it; now it's just intentionally derailing a thread. That's grounds for caging.

[dude27s]

It is idiotic bigots like these that make people become prejudiced about other people. Seriously... you're talking bad about America? Let's see... I'm pretty sure America helped save your whole continent from being took over by Hitler. We should have let him... might have got rid of ignorent fucks like you. I'm not saying that there aren't people in America like that, because there are, and for all I care they can go rot in hell also. As far as American inventions go... I am not even going to say anything on this one because it proves your ignorence. Ok, enough with that and now onto football. Soccer, which is what it's called, is played by little pansys who kick a ball around trying to get it in a goal for hours without much really getting accomplished. One reason they are pansys are because even when something bad happens such as someone getting headbutted, they whine about it like babies. "Football", on the other hand, I've seen people who almost got their legs broke and people who had concussions, only to get up and want to get back out there or sit out and encourage teammates to do their best. For intelligence, theres no contest. In football, you have to read defensive plays, see which recievers you should pass to, read blocks to see which way to go and other things. Soccer is not much more than get the ball and try and kick it in a goal. As for level of fitness, football is more than just "fat fucks". Most of the people who are around 300 pounds are mostly muscle. Take Owen Schmidt for example, how many soccer players do you know that can push press twice their own weight? If you put say the fastest soccer player vs the fastest football player on a race, my money would definately be on the football player. Arg... enough bitchin from me

[Woodreaux]

Just to get this thread back on track about our Football. I am pleased to announce that L.S.U. has seized the BCS and AP poll championship. OSU gave it a good shot, I congratulate the Buckeyes on their great regular season and wish them well next season (with a young team maintaining so many starters they will once again be force in the NCAA) against the Trojans and the Big-10... but this time the Tigers rocked the house and proved their claim! Hats off to Dorsey, Flynn, Hester, Doucet, Steltz and the rest of the team and staff. Victory for LSU!!!!

[Jude09]

So you're hating on American football?

Do you even fucking play soccer?
Do you routinely watch it?

Just wondering.