The Best Martial Art

[Spikey]

This question is not "What's the best martial art to take?" but the question is "What martial art would win a fight?"

For example, if two practitioners of two different martial arts, both with the highest rank of that art, were to fight, who would the victor be? But overall not just on a 1v1 basis.

My opinion is that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu would win a fight hands-down. My reasoning behind this is based on the following points:

BJJ is focused on first taking down your opponent/assailant then forcing them to submit/breaking their bones using joint locks and choke holds. With the proper coach, taking an assailant to the ground will be able to be performed with ease. Once on the ground, many martial artists are rendered helpless and will be forced to use weak close-quarters punches and elbows. For black belt Jiu Jitsu practitioners, it is nearly impossible for them to be choked out, as they are tediously trained to protect their neck. Also, they are trained to become conscious of their limbs and body position at all times. Ultimately, once you take the fight to the ground, it's all over for 90% of martial artists. (This includes Japanese Jujutsu, Ninjutsu, Karate, Hapkido, Kung Fu, San Shou and more)

Also, BJJ practitioners are very balanced. They are trained in many reversals for throws, takedowns, and sweeps; which renders martial arts like Judo helpless.

Any other points that you guys can argue I'll mention.

[RageAgainst]

Fighters who can do mixed martial arts usually win fighting contests.

[MentorX]

I don't think Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu would do well against multiple opponents. Like Rage said, a fighting philosophy of multiple disciplines allows a fighter to adapt. Jeet Kune Do ftw.

[eyeknow]

There's a reason that BJJ never got its skirt ripped off by certain other martial arts; the gracies staggered the fights to c-block the real threats. Studying two or more styles to expert levels is the best approach to equipping ones self for MMA fighting or winning in general.

Martial arts better than Brazilian Jui Jutsu(In no real order) Especially in combination

Hapkido or Hapmudo-think juijitsu +bone breaking
Jeet kune do
Ninjitsu- not the hollywood crap
Dim Mak-controlling by pressure points
Escrima
Kallimad-Indian (as in curry) bone breaking
goju ryu- hacore karatae

[Spikey]

Fighters who can do mixed martial arts usually win fighting contests.

Besides the fact that I was talking about practitioners of only one martial are, tell me one thing: If you watch UFC, what art do the fighters with the betters records know? Mostly a combination of Muay Thai and BJJ.

Eyeknow, Hapkido is easily rendered useless if the fight is taken to the floor, which it will. Same goes for Ninjitsu. Many martial arts that don't have a complete ground fighting area are easily overtaken by a BJJ fighter. (See 1st video below.) Also, many prevalent Dim Mak fighters have been proven to be frauds. Eskrima fails horribly in hand-to-hand with a BJJ fighter, they don't even cover ground fighting. Goju Ryu is nothing more than a branch of karate that uses alternating techniques. As I have mentioned before, Karate is easily beaten using BJJ.

Not exactly proof of the superior martial art, but here are some videos involving BJJ vs other arts.



BJJ vs Hapkido
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BJJ vs Kung Fu
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BJJ vs Jeet Kun Do & San Shou
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BJJ vs Kempo Karate
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BJJ vs Judo
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[53V3N]

Jeet Kune Do ftw.

Damn straight!

[eyeknow]

A low belt vs high belt fight is as relevant as a me vs lil sis battle. Second real hapkido/hapmudo teaches alot of floor grapple reverses; i'll let others speak for other martial arts. Ive fought BJJ black belts and won at Tompkins east coast heavy weight divison meets ; i was a 1st stripe blue belt at the time. Dont fall for the gracies bs.

Just so you know real hapkido is certified through the world hapmudo federation; all others are fakers.

I was certified by Grandmasters Young Song Lee (10th dan) and Dong Kim (9th dan).



To make my point clear there are ways of "stacking fights" to produce desired results (green belt vs blue belt..hmmm who do i bet on). Gracie never fought any real threat to his style system in UFC and it took steroid freaks to win by tenderizing his face. I wonder why he never fought 7th dan masters of some of the martial arts ive mentioned, despite the hefty checks and legendary conciliations; he'd lose. True escrima and dim mak have famous fakers, there are real practitioners and 1/2 assers in every style; there's one real ninjitsu school and it works best when added to another martial art, like all "`internal martial arts".

[Spikey]

A low belt vs high belt fight is as relevant as a me vs lil sis battle. Second real hapkido/hapmudo teaches alot of floor grapple reverses; i'll let others speak for other martial arts. Ive fought BJJ black belts and won at Tompkins east coast heavy weight divison meets ; i was a 1st stripe blue belt at the time. Dont fall for the gracies bs.

Just so you know real hapkido is certified through the world hapmudo federation; all others are fakers.

I was certified by Grandmasters Young Song Lee (10th dan) and Dong Kim (9th dan).

It honestly doesn't matter with Hapkido. In general terms, take two fighters, one knows only BJJ, the other only knows Hapkido/Hapmundo, and they both have the same experience in their martial art, down to the seconds, they BJJ fighter will win. Check most every fight involving a BJJ fighter, the only thing thats beats BJJ is BJJ or a variation of wrestling. However, Boxing has beaten BJJ in the past surprisingly, in the case of Quintin Jackson vs Ricardo Arona.

There is no trickery or any other handicaps with the Gracies, only skill. The names of all the arts put on the wall by the Gracie family are:


Vale Tudo
Kempo Karate
Shooto
Puroresu
Catch Wrestling
Boxing
Shoot Fighting
Kung Fu
Tae Kwon Do
Goju-Ryu
Sumo Wrestling
Judo
Capoeira



Edit: To your mention of staggered fighting: it doesn't matter in UFC. I mean, technically, Quintin Jackson should have never have beaten Ricardo Arona because he has no official "belts" in any martial art. He is only a renowned Boxer. If you're theory is correct, why did that happen? Why did only a boxer beat a Brazilian Top Team member? Mind you, outside the Gracie family there are many low ranking BJJ fighters who have beaten black belt Hapkido fighters. In most occurrences, it all depends on the human element.

What rank are you?

[eyeknow]

I guess i see where you're going with this; yeah the human element matters alot. I've seen street matches all based on thinking on your feet and thats no easy task with a fist to the face.

Hapkido, black belt
Shaolin kung fu, blue sash
I've studied some boxing; I watch MMA from time to time but the steroid freaks annoy me. I don't compete anymore because i like being able to think rationally and not peeing blood after fighting bigger guys. Anyone who claims their art is superior is foolish; its the person no the skill; I know a 56yr old 10th dan hapkido master who i wouldn't fight for any amount of money because i know how cunning he is; yeah i'd put him in a wheelchair but he'd kill me (if you know what i mean)

[53V3N]

I can't believe no one has mentioned pirates, bears or jedi.

[Darklight]

it appears this style would be the best..

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[Spikey]

I guess i see where you're going with this; yeah the human element matters alot. I've seen street matches all based on thinking on your feet and thats no easy task with a fist to the face.

Hapkido, black belt
Shaolin kung fu, blue sash
I've studied some boxing; I watch MMA from time to time but the steroid freaks annoy me. I don't compete anymore because i like being able to think rationally and not peeing blood after fighting bigger guys. Anyone who claims their art is superior is foolish; its the person no the skill; I know a 56yr old 10th dan hapkido master who i wouldn't fight for any amount of money because i know how cunning he is; yeah i'd put him in a wheelchair but he'd kill me (if you know what i mean)

I too lost a lot of respect for Royce Gracie after he was found to have used anabolic steroids. And I agree with you that it's the person, not the art that will determine the outcome.

[HavokChylde]

Drunken Fist. (Ahh, just noticed DL's vid. Thought I was cool. :( )

I hope no one mentions Capoeira. Showy bullshit.

[Spikey]

Drunken Fist. (Ahh, just noticed DL's vid. Thought I was cool. :( )

I hope no one mentions Capoeira. Showy bullshit.

See number 13 on my list. :thumbsup:

[HavokChylde]

See number 13 on my list. :thumbsup:

Yarr, but it's so worthless. Wasn't it created for show? It seems like it has zero power. At least Eddie got some use out of it. :P

[Señor Feester]

I would say boxing. Boxing is not a martial arts but still, I think that a boxer such as Mike Tyson in his prime, would be well equipped to take on a bjj fighter. Most of the power comes from short rang punches and they are taught to keep a good distance. A bjj fighter trying to run up on them and their flurries would hurt too much to just take.

[Supreme]

I would say boxing. Boxing is not a martial arts but still, I think that a boxer such as Mike Tyson in his prime, would be well equipped to take on a bjj fighter. Most of the power comes from short rang punches and they are taught to keep a good distance. A bjj fighter trying to run up on them and their flurries would hurt too much to just take.

If you want to compare boxing against BJJ, it would only be fair to put Iron Mike against a BJJ opponent of the same standard and weight division.
And if you imply that short range punches, like jabs, are the source of powerful punches, I'll have to disagree with you there, buddy. Haymakers are the ones that really :gun::gun::gun:, but they are one of the slowest punches to deliver.

A BJJ opponent of the same standard as Mike would win, yah sure, the boxer might throw a couple of punches every now and then, but do you think it is impossible for the BJJ practitioner to take down a boxer without being knocked out? If you watched MMA you should know that take downs occur in almost every fight. And we're talking about opponents who are also trained in striking AND grappling.
Mr. Boxer Dude has no experience in take downs, grappling and submission.
Sorry to say this, but Mike is at a disadvantage against an opponent of the same class.

Baddest BJJ on the planet FTW.

[Spikey]

Supreme got the gist of it. BJJ practitioners are trained to avoid punches and even set up takedowns from out opponents' strikes. Mike Tyson would easily be defeated by a BJJ fighter of the same caliber, given that he doesn't bite of anyones ear. Har har.

[Avidity]

I personally am a fan of Judo and plan on practicing it and maybe Greek wrestling as both seem to cater to my size and body type (I'm 6 even and 280 pounds naturally). Admittedly, I don't know much about Greek Wrestling beyond the knowledge that it's supposed to deal with what to do when you're on the ground

Should these two be seriously considered for training in y'all's opinions?

[assassinhold]

Ninjutsu/Ninjitsu (not sure of the spelling). 'nuff said bitch.

[Spikey]

I personally am a fan of Judo and plan on practicing it and maybe Greek wrestling as both seem to cater to my size and body type (I'm 6 even and 280 pounds naturally). Admittedly, I don't know much about Greek Wrestling beyond the knowledge that it's supposed to deal with what to do when you're on the ground

Should these two be seriously considered for training in y'all's opinions?

Jude is a nice way to enter the MMA world. Submission wrestling is also good, but I'd suggest BJJ instead.