Fuck Bush!

[Tree]

Fuck Bush. Fucking retard...

[_Kitana_]

Fuck Bush. Fucking retard...

And this says what about you?

[yowatupdogg]

^well i agree cause i don't think bush knows what he is doing in iraq and i don't like it. like i have said before though if i was old enough to vote i will would still vote for him cause he is pro-life

[_Kitana_]

^well i agree cause i don't think bush knows what he is doing in iraq and i don't like it. like i have said before though if i was old enough to vote i will would still vote for him cause he is pro-life

don't think you have a fucking clue what you are talking about

and one issue does not determine nor make a presdent

[twofivekidd9]

^well i agree cause i don't think bush knows what he is doing in iraq and i don't like it.

If you pay close attention to what is going on over in Iraq right now, you can compare it to Vietnam. They are turning out kind of the same.

[yowatupdogg]

yes i do know what i am talkin bout i didn't say he was going to be a good president cause he is pro life. but john kerry sucks too so i would vote for bush


jeez slow down

[GottaHurt]

If you pay close attention to what is going on over in Iraq right now, you can compare it to Vietnam. They are turning out kind of the same.

Not even close, more liberal spin being media fed to the masses.

[twofivekidd9]

Not even close, more liberal spin being media fed to the masses.

True. You always find something to out smart me with.
Although, this could drag out to be as long as Vietnam the rate Bush is going.

[yowatupdogg]

this is not like vietinam in vietnam we lost 55,000 americans i don't think we are going to lose that much in iraq.

[twofivekidd9]

this is not like vietinam in vietnam we lost 55,000 americans i don't think we are going to lose that much in iraq.
Just because we didn't lose 55,000 in Iraq mean its 100% different.

[yowatupdogg]

i didn't say it was 100% different

[twofivekidd9]

i didn't say it was 100% different
It was implied.

[_Kitana_]

If you pay close attention to what is going on over in Iraq right now, you can compare it to Vietnam. They are turning out kind of the same.

I think i pay closer attention then you do

and this is not another vietnam dipshit

[GottaHurt]

True. You always find something to out smart me with.
Although, this could drag out to be as long as Vietnam the rate Bush is going.


We've only been there for a little over one year. The media doesn't show the progrees being made, that doesn't boost ratings. They show the very "small" handfull of terrorists who are resisting, and our troops playing by the rules, and even giving them the benefit of the doubt in ceasefire type truces.

The media pics of our soldiers "mistreating" prisoners, don't be so quick to jump, let the story play out and gather all the facts before reaching a conclusion. Just as in the civilian sector, there's soldiers over there who are disgruntled and don't want to be there. My take on the prisoner "mistreatment pictures", is that the foreign press paid for the pics, and that it was staged. Warfare doesn't have to be with guns, misinformation
is a vital weapon in any war.

You don't invade a country, stabalize it, install a new government and expect miracles, there's a price to be paid in lives, setbacks and even in progress.
Look at what we did after WWII in regard to Japan and Western Europe.
The Marshall plan took almost a decade to fully implement and succeed. Western Europe has known peace for 59 years. Look back through history, and that is the longest that that region has known peace. Quite impressive really.

[yowatupdogg]

i agree with u the media never shows what progess we make.

if we retake a city in iraq then it maybe has a 10 minutes on the news

and when we are totrting people it has like 5 days on the news

[_Kitana_]

We've only been there for a little over one year. The media doesn't show the progrees being made, that doesn't boost ratings. They show the very "small" handfull of terrorists who are resisting, and our troops playing by the rules, and even giving them the benefit of the doubt in ceasefire type truces.

The media pics of our soldiers "mistreating" prisoners, don't be so quick to jump, let the story play out and gather all the facts before reaching a conclusion. Just as in the civilian sector, there's soldiers over there who are disgruntled and don't want to be there. My take on the prisoner "mistreatment pictures", is that the foreign press paid for the pics, and that it was staged. Warfare doesn't have to be with guns, misinformation
is a vital weapon in any war.

You don't invade a country, stabalize it, install a new government and expect miracles, there's a price to be paid in lives, setbacks and even in progress.
Look at what we did after WWII in regard to Japan and Western Europe.
The Marshall plan took almost a decade to fully implement and succeed. Western Europe has known peace for 59 years. Look back through history, and that is the longest that that region has known peace. Quite impressive really.

Thank you GH! Really Really... Thanks alot.

I get tired of trying to explain shit like this to other people and I don't feel like doing it anymore so to hear what I am feeling, thinking and knowing...said by someone else helps alot.

[twofivekidd9]

I think i pay closer attention then you do

and this is not another vietnam dipshit
I only said there was similarities. I didn't flat out say that they are exactly the same, dipshit.

[twofivekidd9]

We've only been there for a little over one year. The media doesn't show the progrees being made, that doesn't boost ratings. They show the very "small" handfull of terrorists who are resisting, and our troops playing by the rules, and even giving them the benefit of the doubt in ceasefire type truces.

The media pics of our soldiers "mistreating" prisoners, don't be so quick to jump, let the story play out and gather all the facts before reaching a conclusion. Just as in the civilian sector, there's soldiers over there who are disgruntled and don't want to be there. My take on the prisoner "mistreatment pictures", is that the foreign press paid for the pics, and that it was staged. Warfare doesn't have to be with guns, misinformation
is a vital weapon in any war.

You don't invade a country, stabalize it, install a new government and expect miracles, there's a price to be paid in lives, setbacks and even in progress.
Look at what we did after WWII in regard to Japan and Western Europe.
The Marshall plan took almost a decade to fully implement and succeed. Western Europe has known peace for 59 years. Look back through history, and that is the longest that that region has known peace. Quite impressive really.
Why do you have to be so smart?

[GottaHurt]

Why do you have to be so smart?

Actually I'm not that smart. There's several people on the forum here who can explain in greater detail, and present the facts far better than I.
I've travelled a great deal in my life, so I can appreciate different cultures and their outlook on life in general. Combine that with a little common sense, quick wit and a strong opinion, and you have a some insight on what I'm all about.

[_Kitana_]

I only said there was similarities. I didn't flat out say that they are exactly the same, dipshit.

hardly...

[Broken]

dipshit.
Someone call?

[_Kitana_]

Someone call?

nope not lately broken

[WTFNation]

The media doesn't show the progrees being made, that doesn't boost ratings.
That's because there's so little progress.


You don't invade a country
That's right. You don't invade other countries.

stabalize it
You call that stable?!

install a new government
What government? The US one? Cause that's all I've seen so far!

and expect miracles
Why not? That's what your politicians expected... Oh yeah we'll just bomb the shit out of the place, kill civilians, oust Saddam, and build McDonalds and Starbucks on every street corner. USA! USA! USA!


Look at what we did after WWII in regard to Japan and Western Europe. The Marshall plan took almost a decade to fully implement and succeed. Western Europe has known peace for 59 years. Look back through history, and that is the longest that that region has known peace. Quite impressive really.
And it was ALL on the USA, right?

OK OK OK I'm sorry for all the cynicism, bad day.

[_Kitana_]

[QUOTE=WTFNation]


Why not? That's what your politicians expected... Oh yeah we'll just bomb the shit out of the place, kill civilians, oust Saddam, and build McDonalds and Starbucks on every street corner. USA! USA! USA!


QUOTE]

ALright...FUCKER! look it up and see how many civilians... where killed because of American or joining collation forces...

[ron]

That's because there's so little progress.On the contrary, many worldwide news agencies have reported on the successes and progress being made in Iraq. You should listen to something other than the "enlightened" party line. Get yourself a shortwave receiver and listen in some time.
That's right. You don't invade other countries.Maybe you dont, which is a good idea for you, but some nations do invade other countries. It happens. It has always happened. It will always happen.
You call that stable?!Not yet, but we're getting there.
What government? The US one? Cause that's all I've seen so far!Then you have missed the provisional Iraqi government that has been put in place by the Iraqi people. Scurry up to your room and look it up on the Internet.
Why not? That's what your politicians expected... Well, now you're just being spiteful and speaking from ignorance. You have no idea what our politicians expected. You have no idea how our political system works. You really have no idea what's going on in the world beyond what you're being told by your misinformed source of anti-American information.
Oh yeah we'll just bomb the shit out of the place, kill civilians, oust Saddam, and build McDonalds and Starbucks on every street corner. Damn, if only we had that here! I love Starbucks! Maybe we'll do that when we invade Finland.
USA! USA! USA!Now, you're getting with the program!
And it was ALL on the USA, right?You'd better fucking believe it, asshole.
OK OK OK I'm sorry for all the cynicism, bad day.You're forgiven, but I really wish you would find something useful to contribute. I mean, this is getting tiresome. You keep rehashing the same misinformation. You have freely admitted that you know nothing of how the world works. Why not shut the fuck up, already?

[yowatupdogg]

hey twofive kid why do u always kiss gh's ass

[Broken]

hey twofive kid why do u always kiss gh's ass

Likes the taste?

[yowatupdogg]

^prolly

[GottaHurt]

Likes the taste?

Less filling..

[Broken]

Less filling..

Yeah... You set yourself up, and I am not going to spike it.... Go ahead kill me now.. I am weak.

[GottaHurt]

Yeah... You set yourself up, and I am not going to spike it.... Go ahead kill me now.. I am weak.

Nah, your self inflicted guilt trip is all you need, besides, maybe I was setting someone else up. :cool:

[WTFNation]

You're forgiven, but I really wish you would find something useful to contribute. I mean, this is getting tiresome. You keep rehashing the same misinformation.
So do you. Maybe we should both apply for correspondant jobs at CNN!

You have freely admitted that you know nothing of how the world works. Why not shut the fuck up, already?

No, I've freely admitted that I oppose the "coalition" (ie the USA) invading other countries and lying to its own people to garner public support to do so. Doesn't it piss you off that your own government lied through its teeth using fear and propaganda to justify its invasion of Iraq? Sounds like 1930's Germany all over again. Except it's not Jews, it's Arabs.

My posts are no more or less valid than yours or _Kitana_'s or anyone else's. and no I won't STFU, that's for STFU.com not WTF.com.

[WTFNation]

ALright...FUCKER! look it up and see how many civilians... where killed because of American or joining collation forces...

What would be the point? We'd probably get about 14 different figures, all of which you Yanks would call bullshit on and claim that they were probably Saddamn supporters anyways and deserved to have a 5000-lb bomb dropped on their mosque.

[The_DEA]

On the contrary, many worldwide news agencies have reported on the successes and progress being made in Iraq. Get yourself a shortwave receiver and listen in some time.

whats the frequency???

[WTFNation]

whats the frequency???


106.6 MHz, US Military Propaganda radio, it's the hottest word in Baghdad!

[The_DEA]

106.6 MHz, US Military Propaganda radio, it's the hottest word in Baghdad!
ill have to plug that one into the ham radio

[The_DEA]

ron are you a ham radio operator???

[ron]

ron are you a ham radio operator???Yes.

[The_DEA]

Yes.
cool so are my mom and step dad 2m is what the talk most of the time

[buck~fush]

LOL. I love my name!

[buck~fush]

I think i pay closer attention then you do

and this is not another vietnam dipshit

WTF. It's guerilla warfare out there. It's what they called Vietnam and its the same exact situation out there. We are dealing with groups (extremist groups), not whole countries. :rolleyes:

[_Kitana_]

WTF. It's guerilla warfare out there. It's what they called Vietnam and its the same exact situation out there. We are dealing with groups (extremist groups), not whole countries. :rolleyes:

It can be classified as guerilla warfare, but like many things there are diffrent types and tactics to each one. The guerilla warfare that they are using in Iraq is not the same they used back in the 60's durning vietnam. I never said you couldn't find similiar traits...you can in any war. Doesn't make them the same.

[OuttaControlX]

Fuck Bush. Fucking retard...
i hope you die a slow death and have it repeated a billion time over in hell :)

[otepsoul]

yeah bush is doing the best he can what was the last war we had ummm, (last i can remeber is) the cold war.

[_Kitana_]

yeah bush is doing the best he can what was the last war we had ummm, (last i can remeber is) the cold war.

first desert storm and the cold war, wasn't really a war...

[mgri]

How Ireland sees it: America is entitled to look after her self interests as all nations must. However, the tactics used by US are plainly illegal, immoral and ineffective.

Sure, the pursuit of oil is necessary to maintain your quality of life, but the US pursues it through underhand and subversive policies.

America is a savage ugly glutinous hound that must somehow be put on a leash. W is illustrating that most effectively. Great job!!!

“A GREAT NATION LIKE OURS WILL NEVER FALL!” - Pericles, Athens, 398 B.C

[GottaHurt]

How Ireland sees it: America is entitled to look after her self interests as all nations must. However, the tactics used by US are plainly illegal, immoral and ineffective.

Sure, the pursuit of oil is necessary to maintain your quality of life, but the US pursues it through underhand and subversive policies.

America is a savage ugly glutinous hound that must somehow be put on a leash. W is illustrating that most effectively. Great job!!!

“A GREAT NATION LIKE OURS WILL NEVER FALL!” - Pericles, Athens, 398 B.C

When Ireland can gain their independance, then maybe we'll listen to your suggestions on how to run our country.

[Broken]

Ireland is what 20 yrs behind the rest of the world? Who really gives to shakes of piss about what Ireland thinks?

[_Kitana_]

How Ireland sees it: America is entitled to look after her self interests as all nations must. However, the tactics used by US are plainly illegal, immoral and ineffective.

Sure, the pursuit of oil is necessary to maintain your quality of life, but the US pursues it through underhand and subversive policies.

America is a savage ugly glutinous hound that must somehow be put on a leash. W is illustrating that most effectively. Great job!!!

“A GREAT NATION LIKE OURS WILL NEVER FALL!” - Pericles, Athens, 398 B.C

Err... how can you speak for a whole country as being one person... they write you and tell you what to say. I love my country but I can not speak for it.

[mgri]

A fair point Kitana. I cannot speak for everyone in the country. However, a majority of Irish people think America is losing the run of itself. America needs allies despite what you may think.

[get it together]

for the most part it isn't only irish people who think the americans are going too far, whether this is a war about oil, or just to finish what daddy started, hell maybe it is to "help the people" BUT america is still going too far

[GottaHurt]

BUT america is still going too far

In your opinion, but since you're not an American, with the right to vote in our elections, then who gives a shit what you think. Can you hear me now?

[get it together]

you don't have to give a shit what I think, but in general the world is still very important to the american economy and if you step on to many toes someones bound to blow up or blow you up... one of the two

[GottaHurt]

you don't have to give a shit what I think, but in general the world is still very important to the american economy and if you step on to many toes someones bound to blow up or blow you up... one of the two


Uh, ever heard of 9-11? Yea, they've been targeting us. And as for the world economy, it feeds off us, we sneeze, you get a cold. You might want to rethink your position, you need us, more than we need you.

[get it together]

the world will go on, believe it or not if one country (as pivotol as you believe it is) just kinda stops... I know it's hard thinking you're NOT the center of the universe, but you'll get used to it in time

[GottaHurt]

the world will go on, believe it or not if one country (as pivotol as you believe it is) just kinda stops... I know it's hard thinking you're NOT the center of the universe, but you'll get used to it in time

Yea, we saw that in the last century when the US went into recession, and even the great depression, the rest of the world severely suffered because our economy was doing poorly.

[get it together]

yup, even Figi felt the effecs of the depression. yeah you guys are important, BUT by no means do we need you to get along believe it or not and sure, we did suffer, but we still would get over it, if almost ANY country leaves that will happen

[GottaHurt]

yup, even Figi felt the effecs of the depression. yeah you guys are important, BUT by no means do we need you to get along believe it or not and sure, we did suffer, but we still would get over it, if almost ANY country leaves that will happen

keyword

Yep, that would be us, we are the key to the world, get used to it. You're only fooling yourself if you can't understand this.

[get it together]

keyword

Yep, that would be us, we are the key to the world, get used to it. You're only fooling yourself if you can't understand this.

your the only person getting fooled here if you really think that america is that vital, and I guess anyone else could've figured it out, but if Tibet, with almost no outward economy left... guess what? it wouldn't matter,

[GottaHurt]

your the only person getting fooled here if you really think that america is that vital, and I guess anyone else could've figured it out, but if Tibet, with almost no outward economy left... guess what? it wouldn't matter,

Dude, you have no clue whatsoever just how important the US is to the survival of most foreign countries. We spent 4.5 billion last year just on the defense of Russian nukes, so they wouldn't fall into the hands of terrorists.

Use that google search engine that I enlightened you with, and read about how much foreign aid we doled out to other countries just in their defense, not to mention economic aid.

[get it together]

oddly enough for the most part america is the reason why they need the defence in the first place... if you didn't train terorists to attack other countries than.... I KNOW! the cost would go down and we wouldn't need that much... wow... 2+2=....

[GottaHurt]

oddly enough for the most part america is the reason why they need the defence in the first place... if you didn't train terorists to attack other countries than.... I KNOW! the cost would go down and we wouldn't need that much... wow... 2+2=....


Wow, the US has been around for approx 228 years. I guess there were no wars or acts of terrorism before 1776.

[get it together]

Wow, the US has been around for approx 228 years. I guess there were no wars or acts of terrorism before 1776.

current day terrorists? with the same technology and equipment AND training that all seems funded from one place? hmm... lets think... I know what 2 is... now.. add another 2 I KNOW it now!

[GottaHurt]

current day terrorists? with the same technology and equipment AND training that all seems funded from one place? hmm... lets think... I know what 2 is... now.. add another 2 I KNOW it now!

No, you're still not getting it. The US isn't the only country funding, arming and training terrorists.

[ron]

How Ireland sees it: America is entitled to look after her self interests as all nations must. However, the tactics used by US are plainly illegal, immoral and ineffective. Hardly ineffective. Illegal? How so. Immoral? I suppose bombing women and children because they are of a different denomination of the same religion as you is moral, then. Ireland is hardly in a position to pass moral judgements.

Sure, the pursuit of oil is necessary to maintain your quality of life, but the US pursues it through underhand and subversive policies. No, we pursue our interests out in the open. That's you how you and the rest of the world know about our efforts. Underhanded and subversive would probably be more effective. As to the pursuit of oil...some people in Ireland drive and heat their homes with petroleum products. Ireland produces no oil of its own. You're welcome.

America is a savage ugly glutinous hound that must somehow be put on a leash. W is illustrating that most effectively.Savage and ugly. OK, how so? What have you seen in America, first hand, that is savage and ugly? Cities? Yes, we have those and they are not all covered with green like your little island. Industrialization does that. However, we have far more beautiful, open, and unspoiled country in this nation now than ever existed in Ireland. You should see it. Come to Missouri and I'll give you a tour or the Ozark Mountains. After that, we'll head to the Tap Room for a wee dram.

Savage? How so? Please provide me with examples of how savage we are. Tell me how you have witnessed this first hand. War does not count, because war is savage regardless of who fights it. Gangstas...Yeah, they're savages and they are killing each other. Cowboys? There really aren't many real ones left anymore. Savage beauty of Denali in Alaska or the savage beauty of Niagara Falls? Absolutely.

I suppose the conflicts in Ireland are much more civilized, then. Please, enlighten us. I suppose, for that matter, the constant conflicts in the Middle East are more civilized by the virtue that they occur in the original cradle of western civilization. That makes sense.

Great job!!! Thanks!!!

“A GREAT NATION LIKE OURS WILL NEVER FALL!” - Pericles, Athens, 398 B.C[/QUOTE]Excellent quote. However, no one here has ever been of that mindset. It's why we pursue world affairs so closely. Perhaps you remember the Cold War. That was a series of escalations to the Nth degree in terms of militarization and paranoia on both sides. We were all running scared because we knew that our nation could fall with the right impetus, specifically a nuclear war.

Ireland is a pretty island with some pretty women. Redheads and beer have really been your greatest contributions to western society. I appreciate your contributions to the highest degree and raise my glass to you. Cheers!

If you really want to get down to the brass tacks, we, as a species, are really no farther along emotionally than we were at the time of the Trojan War. Think on that. Conflict, as demonstrated beautifully here, is an inextricable part of human nature. Chaos, as demonstrated all around you in nature, is the natural order of things. Order is our attempt, as humans, to control nature. Why do I mention this? War is chaotic and destructive, but brings about order. We take the bad with the good.

[get it together]

No, you're still not getting it. The US isn't the only country funding, arming and training terrorists.

that's fine, they don't have to be, but the fact remains they still do it, and there are plenty enough of american trained terrorists to go around... I'm not quite sure if you get it at this point... without so many terrorists we don't need to spend more money! wow... gotta love that math

[ron]

the world will go on, believe it or not if one country (as pivotol as you believe it is) just kinda stops... I know it's hard thinking you're NOT the center of the universe, but you'll get used to it in timeI'm sure that's what people throughout the ages have thought about superpowers of their time.

The British could have stopped. The Romans could have stopped. The Greeks could have stopped. The Egyptians could have stopped. The Chinese could have stopped. The Vikings (I'm taking license by lumping them all together) could have stopped. The Mongols could have stopped. The Persians could have stopped. The Moors could have stopped.

History is rife with nations whose opponents proclaimed that they are not the center of the universe and they should just stop.

[GottaHurt]

..and now for lesson #2, we'll hand this segment over to ron, our resident history buff....

[get it together]

I'm sure that's what people throughout the ages have thought about superpowers of their time.

The British could have stopped. The Romans could have stopped. The Greeks could have stopped. The Egyptians could have stopped. The Chinese could have stopped. The Vikings (I'm taking license by lumping them all together) could have stopped. The Mongols could have stopped. The Persians could have stopped. The Moors could have stopped.

History is rife with nations whose opponents proclaimed that they are not the center of the universe and they should just stop.


now... little note here... they're definitely all gone... and the world is still here... what makes america any different?

[ron]

now... little note here... they're definitely all gone... and the world is still here... what makes america any different?Last time I checked, Britain is still very much around. So are Egypt, China, and Greece. Granted, Egypt and Greece are no longer superpowers, but China is. One could argue that Britain is. My point was that there have always been people like you in the world, usually in the paths of progress or the conquering army, always willing to complain that the superpower is doing it wrong and always willing to take advantage of the benefits the conquering army brings when the dust settles.

that's fine, they don't have to be, but the fact remains they still do it, and there are plenty enough of american trained terrorists to go around... I'm not quite sure if you get it at this point... without so many terrorists we don't need to spend more money! wow... gotta love that mathThe fact remains that terrorism has been around since the beginning of confilict. The United States of America has only been a nation for a couple of centuries. Most nations have a much longer and far bloodier history than we. It could be argued that Vikings were terrorists (one who uses fear tactics to achieve an end).

Our current administration did not start the problems in the Middle East, nor the administration before that, nor the administration before that, ad nauseum. Those problems have been around for centuries, millenia even, but we and a few other willing nations are now in a position to effect some change in that regard.

I don't see anyone criticizing the French for their policies in Africa and South America. I don't see anyone criticizing the British or Australians for being involved in the Middle East.

[get it together]

that's because your leading the charge in this ever so galant assault YOU ARE the people's champions of the world, and we would all roll over and die without you and everything you have done for us. of course... with great power... comes great responsibility... quite another concept... I hope this all isn't too much for you to take in... here, I'll put it in simpler context

You Are Wrong!

thank you :)

[ron]

oddly enough for the most part america is the reason why they need the defence in the first place... if you didn't train terorists to attack other countries than.... I KNOW! the cost would go down and we wouldn't need that much... wow... 2+2=....Actually, the Soviets mismanaged themselves into oblivion and the nukes started to disappear when those in charge wanted to earn a little extra cash. Ever wonder why all those former Soviet scientists and technicians turned up in Iraq? Iraq paid better! After France provided Iraq with nuclear power and chemical facilities, they needed people who understood how to use the things.

The arms race began as a Soviet response to our refusal to hand over the secrets of nuclear weapon construction after WWII. Following that refusal, an intricate game of espionage ensued as West and East began watching each other and stealing secrets. It still goes on today, although the rules and players have changed to some degree.

[get it together]

Actually, the Soviets mismanaged themselves into oblivion and the nukes started to disappear when those in charge wanted to earn a little extra cash. Ever wonder why all those former Soviet scientists and technicians turned up in Iraq? Iraq paid better! After France provided Iraq with nuclear power and chemical facilities, they needed people who understood how to use the things.

The arms race began as a Soviet response to our refusal to hand over the secrets of nuclear weapon construction after WWII. Following that refusal, an intricate game of espionage ensued as West and East began watching each other and stealing secrets. It still goes on today, although the rules and players have changed to some degree.

congrats! you've managed to dish out even more bs that you can't give me any proof on good job, I hope you enjoyed wasting your time :thumbsup:

[ron]

that's because your leading the charge in this ever so galant assaultOh, I see. It's OK to participate just so long as you don't try to lead the way. That's crock of shit. You're just being silly. You really should work on your perceptions.
YOU ARE the people's champions of the world, and we would all roll over and die without you and everything you have done for us. It's good that you finally recognize that. If you would support us, rather than hindering us with word and deed at every opportunity, the world might actually know some semblance of peace and order. That is, until some petty warlord decides to start the cycle over again; we'd just have to squash him, too.
of course... with great power... comes great responsibility...You are correct.
I hope this all isn't too much for you to take in... here, I'll put it in simpler contextNo, you're doing fine. I'll let you know if it all becomes too much for my poor, addled, propagandized American mind. I somehow doubt that you could overwhelm me. Carry on.

You Are Wrong!About what? Prove it.

thank you :)You're welcome. :mfinger:

[otepsoul]

i think we know who the bigger person here is **cough(ron)cough**

[_Kitana_]

i think we know who the bigger person here is **cough(ron)cough**

i was thinking i knew that before this started. I happen to respect and agree with most of Ron statments, if nto all. He is probally one of the best at debating issues and facts.

makes me wonder if he was on the debate team in highschool

[ron]

congrats! you've managed to dish out even more bs that you can't give me any proof on good job, I hope you enjoyed wasting your time :thumbsup:Whatever, pinhead. Please, enlighten us. How did the Cold War really end? How did the Soviet Union really fall into all those little, independent, conflicted states? How did those Soviets really get into the employ of Iraq? How did Iraq really get nuclear power (not necessarily weapons, dick) and chemical facilities? What really happened to the missing pieces of the former Soviet nuclear arsenal? Please, tell us what the Internet tells you. Go ahead, dazzle us.

[ron]

i was thinking i knew that before this started. I happen to respect and agree with most of Ron statments, if nto all. He is probally one of the best at debating issues and facts.I do what I can.

makes me wonder if he was on the debate team in highschoolNope. Not a chance.

[get it together]

I never said I agreed with going along with it, but generally it's the person leading the way who is in charge and responsible you should know that

And with champions like you for all of us fine people we don't need to worry about finding new enemies, as everyone already hates you anyway and you seem pretty adept at making your own. National Pride can be a good thing, but when it's in excess... it gets to be a burden to everyone around you as they need to start carrying your weight

America hasn't handled it's responsibilities perfectly, so until you have don't claim it

at least your begining to realise your a victim of propaganda :thumbsup: congrats I'm proud of you... that was a big step... next we'll learn how it affects you

how would I prove it? it's a forum nothing we say can be validated

[get it together]

i was thinking i knew that before this started. I happen to respect and agree with most of Ron statments, if nto all. He is probally one of the best at debating issues and facts.

makes me wonder if he was on the debate team in highschool

you all seem to think I care about the opinions of people in forums that I've never met.. and that's definitely true, it's actually all quite pathetic that you think I care or it matters

[_Kitana_]

you all seem to think I care about the opinions of people in forums that I've never met.. and that's definitely true, it's actually all quite pathetic that you think I care or it matters

you must care or you wouldn't be here...

But here look.... I have a present for ya

its a coke.

So have a COKE and a SMILE and Shut the FUCK up!

lol

[get it together]

you must care or you wouldn't be here...

But here look.... I have a present for ya

its a coke.

So have a COKE and a SMILE and Shut the FUCK up!

lol

hilllarious... hyuk that was just so damned funny.. I'm here because I just can't stand the idea of people like you getting away with so damned much

[ron]

you all seem to think I care about the opinions of people in forums that I've never met.. and that's definitely true, it's actually all quite pathetic that you think I care or it mattersApparently, you do. Else, why argue with me continually? Why resort to personal attacks when you have run out of everything else? Why else feign boredom when you've been bettered? you obviously care enough to keep this going.

[get it together]

Apparently, you do. Else, why argue with me continually? Why resort to personal attacks when you have run out of everything else? Why else feign boredom when you've been bettered? you obviously care enough to keep this going.

indeed.. again it's a way to pass time right now. something amusing You are all foreign people that I will never meet so why would I care at all about your opinions? please tell me you don't take what people say to heart

[ron]

indeed.. again it's a way to pass time right now. something amusing You are all foreign people that I will never meet so why would I care at all about your opinions? please tell me you don't take what people say to heartSo, then, you're arguing just to make yourself feel good. That's pretty pitiful. Are you now saying that you are wrong?

As to never meeting us, you have been invited for dinner and drinks if you care to venture into our barbarous land.

[ron]

I never said I agreed with going along with it, but generally it's the person leading the way who is in charge and responsible you should know thatThen, what was your point? Ah, you had none.

And with champions like you for all of us fine people we don't need to worry about finding new enemies, Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
as everyone already hates you anyway and you seem pretty adept at making your own.Hardly. You make a lot of blanket statements, assuming that you speak for the citizens of the world at large. I wonder what those people in developing nations think about all the aid we send their way.

National Pride can be a good thing, but when it's in excess... it gets to be a burden to everyone around you as they need to start carrying your weightWhat, we're not supposed to be patriotic because hurts your feelings? Get over it. That was a pretty arrogant statement. Who is carrying our weight and in what manner? Canada? Yeah, you're truly an international player. A great and powerful nation-state. You're just biding your time, choosing the right moment to become a player on the world stage. Right...

America hasn't handled it's responsibilities perfectly, so until you have don't claim itI don't believe anyone here has claimed that we have handled all of our responsibilities perfectly. Prove it. You're really reaching now...

at least your begining to realise your a victim of propaganda :thumbsup: congrats I'm proud of you... that was a big step... next we'll learn how it affects youThat was sarcasm, dipshit. You have admitted that your information comes mostly from Canadian television, the content of which is largely biased against the USA. Do you actually read any of your own posts?

how would I prove it? it's a forum nothing we say can be validatedI guess that's for you to figure out. The burden is on you. For instance, you or I can walk into any hospital in the USA to prove wrong your theories on American health care. In debate, one must provide a convincing argument in order to win.

[get it together]

you got the point just fine. the people leading are the people who need to take responsibility and most of the time you don't

alright, you cna keep all your ennemies as close as you want, and while you do that, you'll get your asses blown up again, it's much easier to just make the friends and try to keep them,

of course I know I don't speak for the world but you should definitely try listening to some other people and not just look at all the good you do, even some of the countries you send your kits too, you've still done things to piss them off and I don't think a little bit of love and care in a kit is going to do much to account for that

One Word... IRAQ, America has definitely overstepped it's bounds and when countries refused to help... they got insulted and harrased because they didn't jump to your aid and give you support, which is one of the reasons for the not so great relations between Canada and America still. it's not that we can suply military support, but it's still good when your closest neighbour and an important trading partner agrees with what your doing

Alright, admit it, admit some of the mistakes your country has made handling this, I've admitted some of the problems in my country before, your turn,

really gosh darn it, it really was sarcasm... golly gee.. I never knew... all I said was I got one statistic from Canadian news, the rest is through various fellows who are as enlightened as yourself, with age, and experience, and through teachers who have seen more of the world then (believe it or not) you... wow... crazy eh?

the healthcare thing is old, I'm not going to believe you and your not going to be able to prove me wrong or change my mind,

[ron]

you got the point just fine. the people leading are the people who need to take responsibility and most of the time you don'tWe are taking responsibility. That's why we are still in Iraq fighting to rebuild their country for them.

alright, you cna keep all your ennemies as close as you want, and while you do that, you'll get your asses blown up again, it's much easier to just make the friends and try to keep them,That was an old proverb. You would not know that, of course, because it is probably rarely referenced on the WWW and in Canadian news broadcasts.

You're still being naive. We whole world is not a Coca Cola commercial where we can buy everyone a "Coke and a Smile." Not everyone wants to be friends, even if we offer good things in return. We can't hold hands all over the world, because not everyone wants to. Does everyone want to be friends with Canada? No, eh.

of course I know I don't speak for the world but you should definitely try listening to some other people and not just look at all the good you do, even some of the countries you send your kits too, you've still done things to piss them off and I don't think a little bit of love and care in a kit is going to do much to account for that
I do listen to people. I listen to people all over the world and even speak to them fairly regularly. Being a ham radio operator, it's part of what I enjoy doing. I have a weekly chat session with a friend in South Africa on 14.275 MHz (unless the frequency is in use). I love to listen to other people. However, I do not always agree with what they say. Why don't you practice what you preach (that's another old saying for you)? Try listening, instead of immediately being hostile to us and making blanket statements. Try to understand that the world is not all sunshine and daisies, no matter how tightly you close your eyes and how hard you wish.

One Word... IRAQ, America has definitely overstepped it's boundsIn your opinion.
and when countries refused to help... they got insulted and harrased because they didn't jump to your aid and give you support, which is one of the reasons for the not so great relations between Canada and America still.Diplomacy is a bitch, eh. Allies are supposed to come to one another's aid. Canada didn't. We reacted.
it's not that we can suply military support, but it's still good when your closest neighbour and an important trading partner agrees with what your doingI agree. It is good, but not always possible.

Alright, admit it, admit some of the mistakes your country has made handling this, I've admitted some of the problems in my country before, your turn,I believe that we have mishandled the affair by sending in reservists instead of our professional soldiers. I think the affair has been mismanaged because we are still trying to put on our smilie faces and not fight a war like wars are supposed to be fought. I think we should have dug out the ol' cloak and dagger practices of the Cold War and assassinated Hussein and his sons, coupling said operation with a quick and violent coup. None of this dancing around trying to make the world feel good about it.

really gosh darn it, it really was sarcasm... golly gee.. I never knew... all I said was I got one statistic from Canadian news, the rest is through various fellows who are as enlightened as yourself, with age, and experience, and through teachers who have seen more of the world then (believe it or not) you... wow... crazy eh?Crazy. Who and where are these towers of Canadian intellect? A friend of mine just graduated from college in New Brunswick. He was treated with open hostility simply because he is American. That's terribly accepting of your enlightened society, eh.

the healthcare thing is old, I'm not going to believe you and your not going to be able to prove me wrong or change my mind,Then you are as bad as you claim I am. You don't have to believe, but you lose. Your enlightened Canadian fellows can surely pat you on the head and tell you what a good boy you've been, but failing to address the issue when the solution has been placed at your disposal means you lose. You brought up the health care issue, I refuted your claims based on knowledge of our health care system, you choose to ignore the information presented because to acknowledge it would prove you wrong, you lose.

[OuttaControlX]

That's because there's so little progress.



That's right. You don't invade other countries.


You call that stable?!


What government? The US one? Cause that's all I've seen so far!


Why not? That's what your politicians expected... Oh yeah we'll just bomb the shit out of the place, kill civilians, oust Saddam, and build McDonalds and Starbucks on every street corner. USA! USA! USA!



And it was ALL on the USA, right?

OK OK OK I'm sorry for all the cynicism, bad day.
research your self you fucking ignorant idiot befor you fucking say a word dont trust shit you see on your news and yes casualties in war are sometimes incent but ewh, every last person on 9/11 was innocent just moms and dads going to work. fuckers didnt even crash into a miliotary base or something, cold hearted fucks killed people who already had jobs and were making a diffrence and as to your shit about installing our goverment, i know its damn well better then theres
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Why not? That's what your politicians expected... Oh yeah we'll just bomb the shit out of the place, kill civilians, oust Saddam, and build McDonalds and Starbucks on every street corner. USA! USA! USA!
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your one ignorant fucker...

P.S.: canada sucks balls... your people have done nothing to advance the world and no one picks on you because everyone like the under dog, you fuckers do litterly jack fucking shit, so of course no one bothers you, at least we try, and not everything we do is right but when we do, its pretty fucking good, and your queer fucking news stations dont show about the people who want us in iraq they onlyu show the terrorist upriseing who dont want us thier so they can run the country by terrorism, now stfu you dont live in the states or iraq so u have no say-so in this war you stupid fuck, your brother didnt die on 9/11 stupid fucking cunt... please do me a favor and kill your self

[OuttaControlX]

btw you ignorant bitch, id like to hear what you would have done about 9/11? i havent heard any better ideas then ours... so until you come up with a full idea dont even fucking talk

also asking for an apology is not an idea, i hope you fuckers get attacked, then your whole views on the war will change

[OuttaControlX]

If you pay close attention to what is going on over in Iraq right now, you can compare it to Vietnam. They are turning out kind of the same.
another idiot who dont know what he is talking about... we had no reason to be in vietnam... also we had no plans for vietnam... the war is 100% diffrent just because people die and civilians get killed dont mean its like vietnam, civilians are hurt in ALL wars also we arnt going to pull out like we did in nam, we are going to stick with it till the end, even kerry said he wont pull out, so at this point i dont care who is president next... at least we will stick with it... this is nothing like name you fucking tard

[mgri]

US reasons for going to Vienam were actually very similar to your reasons for Iraq: i.e. Overthrowing a threatening government to stabilise US primacy. There was a plan for vietnam just as there is one for Iraq and it is not as high minded as saving civilians from despots.

To emulate your fine prose: this IS like nam YOU fucking tard! The iraqi people will fight a holy war against you as long as they see this as a US led occupation. Abondoning the cover of the UN was a dreadful mistake and the US is paying for it with the lives of it's soldiers.

[OuttaControlX]

shut the fuck UP! you fucking idiot your country is not at war, we are, americans should be the only one with any-say-so in this, now shut the fuck up you tard, and thisa is nothing like nam you fucking tard

also mr. smart ass, i wanna hear what you would have done about 9/11 since your kuck ass wants to get involved

[rhythmic5]

break it down like this.

check the technique, see if you can follow it.

rae dude.

[kpejr187]

Fuck Bush. Fucking retard...
How articulate, what a fucking idiot. :mfinger:

[SpIkEyOaSs]

Fuck Bush. Fucking retard...

GTFO you liberal. fuckin jackass

[voiceofreason]

GTFO you liberal. fuckin jackass

All this name calling?

I think what Tree was trying to express is that Bush is a brainless, inarticulate, thoughtless pawn being used to build and sustain the Military-Industrial Complex.

[_Kitana_]

All this name calling?

I think what Tree was trying to express is that Bush is a brainless, inarticulate, thoughtless pawn being used to build and sustain the Military-Industrial Complex.

I hate people like you. Look up the meaning of pawn. Bush is nowhere near being a pawn. Unforntaly, I can determine from reading your post that you know Jack shit.

if even that.

[voiceofreason]

PAWN: A person or an entity used to further the purposes of another.

I'm sorry you hate me. I don't hate you. I like all people, even folks like you who haven't had an independent thought in their whole lives. Because I am of course, the Voice of Reason.

Life must be easy just to have someone feed you your opinions. I envy you in some ways...

Best,

VOR

[ron]

I think what Tree was trying to express is that Bush is a brainless, inarticulate, thoughtless pawn being used to build and sustain the Military-Industrial Complex.Voice of paranoia...

[DEATHS_ANGEL666]

i think our whole fuckin government system is a fuck up...if i had the chance i owuld overthrow our system..then..let everyone do wat the fuck they wanted 2

[voiceofreason]

i think our whole fuckin government system is a fuck up...if i had the chance i owuld overthrow our system..then..let everyone do wat the fuck they wanted 2

Name a better system...

[Unforgiven]

i think our whole fuckin government system is a fuck up...if i had the chance i owuld overthrow our system..then..let everyone do wat the fuck they wanted 2

then you'd end up dead... as would 99% of your country.

[DEATHS_ANGEL666]

that's the whole point

[CptPlanet87]

Name a better system...

although there is no better system, the reason that people hate it (like me) is because of the hypocracy of our democracy and that all of the politicians are co-conspirators in a nationwide effort to steal the people's money... as the song goes, "Until the last law breaks, None of us are free"!

[DEATHS_ANGEL666]

hell mother fucking yes!!!

[voiceofreason]

although there is no better system, the reason that people hate it (like me) is because of the hypocracy of our democracy and that all of the politicians are co-conspirators in a nationwide effort to steal the people's money... as the song goes, "Until the last law breaks, None of us are free"!

Hypocrisy, and taking other people's stuff (survival of the fittest), is human nature...

It would be nice if everyone worked together, and shared what they had, oh wait, that sounds like Communism, and that has never worked ANYwhere.

So you have 2 choices, jump in to the fray and try to make a difference OR shutup, and try to live a happy life...

[OutonBail27]

First off you people have an attention span that lasts about 5 minutes. Iraq will turn out to be just fine. But i could really care less what happens to that place. The reason i say fuck Bush is because he is slowly turning away all our allies. It has taken years to build up these peaceful friendships with other countries and this idiot has about burnt all those bridges in less than 4 years. It goes to show how stupid the american public is to vote an ex alcoholic, druggie, hothead as a president. I don't think the other guy Kerry is much better but i hope he gets elected. Fuck Bush! :thumbsdn:

[crocostix]

We've only been there for a little over one year. The media doesn't show the progrees being made, that doesn't boost ratings. They show the very "small" handfull of terrorists who are resisting, and our troops playing by the rules, and even giving them the benefit of the doubt in ceasefire type truces.

The media pics of our soldiers "mistreating" prisoners, don't be so quick to jump, let the story play out and gather all the facts before reaching a conclusion. Just as in the civilian sector, there's soldiers over there who are disgruntled and don't want to be there. My take on the prisoner "mistreatment pictures", is that the foreign press paid for the pics, and that it was staged. Warfare doesn't have to be with guns, misinformation
is a vital weapon in any war.

You don't invade a country, stabalize it, install a new government and expect miracles, there's a price to be paid in lives, setbacks and even in progress.
Look at what we did after WWII in regard to Japan and Western Europe.
The Marshall plan took almost a decade to fully implement and succeed. Western Europe has known peace for 59 years. Look back through history, and that is the longest that that region has known peace. Quite impressive really.

the marshall plan was dun, cuz it was good for the american market. as the oil in iraq is good for the american market right now. i don't say it's wrong cuz i'd rather have america take the oil then them desertthieves in iraq, but it's not all humanitarian :abduct:

[MrNewbie]

I dont like bush at all, but at the same time what can Americans vote for? Nothing good.
I think the 11th september those guys learned that America isn't 100% secure and actually got an eye on the outer space, this just became worse because Bush dont have a fucking clue about whats happening in any country even America?? He dont want help from FD wich make this very "un-checked", anything can happen.. I have seen American soldiers taken pictures with thumbs up at killed Iraqians... And a child running and crying with Americans just smiling at her... Bush take things for granted, in Africa he sends military to kill all the rebels. I dont think USA even asked if they had the permission to go into Afghanista for killing Usama, they dont even know if hes there. They got some ideas and by that they risk other peoples lifes? Damn.. Bush dont now a fucking thing about any other countries then hes down, and he should let FD or something that at least can handle it can fix it. Not a fucking war crazy old man trying to make world war 3. Hes next goal is probably north and south korea... He should care more about USA as they have more problems than he at least MAYBE could do some good. Or just go learn some politic. Also about 50% of a important Iraq meeting this guy played sport activites while other people were trying to make something out of the meeting.

[CptPlanet87]

Hypocrisy, and taking other people's stuff (survival of the fittest), is human nature...

It would be nice if everyone worked together, and shared what they had, oh wait, that sounds like Communism, and that has never worked ANYwhere.

So you have 2 choices, jump in to the fray and try to make a difference OR shutup, and try to live a happy life...

Not at all, in fact, quite the contrary. Hypocracy has become a way of human nature by widespread media and authortative figures. These figures were, in my mind, taught by the fake intellectuals of the roman empire, and spead so quickly, because if you didn't believe the general ideas, well lets look at where Plato and Aristotle ended up. But as John F Kennedy said "These problems are man made, therefore man can correct them." As for the theory of survival of the fittest, in our time and society it has been proven that material phenomena can and does erase the theory, because an idiot college dropout started yahoo.com, and is now a billionaire. Was he the fittest for doing this job, NO! but he did, because of the day and age. Also, the overall idea of communism is the best ever established. The reason it doesn't work is the establishment of authourity and class, the only way communism could work is if it was on a worldwide scale, and all were willing to accept it. If there are only 2 choices in life, then your realist views of democracy would fail, for when people were uncontent with the decision of the nation, they would kill themselves, and possibly others, so it would seem that your views of human nature are incorrect, and refutable.

[CptPlanet87]

I dont like bush at all, but at the same time what can Americans vote for? Nothing good.
I think the 11th september those guys learned that America isn't 100% secure and actually got an eye on the outer space, this just became worse because Bush dont have a fucking clue about whats happening in any country even America?? He dont want help from FD wich make this very "un-checked", anything can happen.. I have seen American soldiers taken pictures with thumbs up at killed Iraqians... And a child running and crying with Americans just smiling at her... Bush take things for granted, in Africa he sends military to kill all the rebels. I dont think USA even asked if they had the permission to go into Afghanista for killing Usama, they dont even know if hes there. They got some ideas and by that they risk other peoples lifes? Damn.. Bush dont now a fucking thing about any other countries then hes down, and he should let FD or something that at least can handle it can fix it. Not a fucking war crazy old man trying to make world war 3. Hes next goal is probably north and south korea... He should care more about USA as they have more problems than he at least MAYBE could do some good. Or just go learn some politic. Also about 50% of a important Iraq meeting this guy played sport activites while other people were trying to make something out of the meeting.

My Frend... you are a gentleman and a scholar, your points are well stated and damn near irrefutable, if you ever need help flaming some truly ignorant asshole, i'll be there...

[MrNewbie]

My Frend... you are a gentleman and a scholar, your points are well stated and damn near irrefutable, if you ever need help flaming some truly ignorant asshole, i'll be there...
:mfinger:

[voiceofreason]

Not at all, in fact, quite the contrary. Hypocracy has become a way of human nature by widespread media and authortative figures. These figures were, in my mind, taught by the fake intellectuals of the roman empire, and spead so quickly, because if you didn't believe the general ideas, well lets look at where Plato and Aristotle ended up. But as John F Kennedy said "These problems are man made, therefore man can correct them." As for the theory of survival of the fittest, in our time and society it has been proven that material phenomena can and does erase the theory, because an idiot college dropout started yahoo.com, and is now a billionaire. Was he the fittest for doing this job, NO! but he did, because of the day and age. Also, the overall idea of communism is the best ever established. The reason it doesn't work is the establishment of authourity and class, the only way communism could work is if it was on a worldwide scale, and all were willing to accept it. If there are only 2 choices in life, then your realist views of democracy would fail, for when people were uncontent with the decision of the nation, they would kill themselves, and possibly others, so it would seem that your views of human nature are incorrect, and refutable.

Sorry Cpt, but I have to respectfully disagree:

"Hypocracy has become a way of human nature by widespread media and authortative figures"

How does the media and authority figures spread Hypocracy? People changes horses in mid stream, because of influences, or they are insecure about their choice, or they are afraid.

communism could work is if it was on a worldwide scale, and all were willing to accept it And there's the rub, the world is NOT willing to accept it.

Was he the fittest for doing this job, Absolutely, otherwise he couldn't have done it. Your questions is did he deserve it, probably not, but be that as it may...

so it would seem that your views of human nature are incorrect, and refutable The choices are do something, or do nothing. That is the choice in every part of life.

I don't think you've proven your points.

[CptPlanet87]

Sorry Cpt, but I have to respectfully disagree:

"Hypocracy has become a way of human nature by widespread media and authortative figures"

How does the media and authority figures spread Hypocracy? People changes horses in mid stream, because of influences, or they are insecure about their choice, or they are afraid.

communism could work is if it was on a worldwide scale, and all were willing to accept it And there's the rub, the world is NOT willing to accept it.

Was he the fittest for doing this job, Absolutely, otherwise he couldn't have done it. Your questions is did he deserve it, probably not, but be that as it may...

so it would seem that your views of human nature are incorrect, and refutable The choices are do something, or do nothing. That is the choice in every part of life.

I don't think you've proven your points.

I say not so,
Hypocracy has been spread in the respect that all people no matter what age, religion, gender, etc. have what I dub as the "influential voice" this voice comes from someone (usaually a parent) whom the certain individual feels very strongly for. Conciously or not one takes the "influential voice's" thoughts and ideas and adapts them to become their own. This is to say that one is a product of the environment that one surrounds themselves in. Hypocracy was started probably a long time ago, and was "passed down" and through this was widespread by the media (i.e. someone looks up to a movie star and that movie star is a hypocrite they then subconsiously obtain the hypocratic views of the individual, so does the person who looks up to that person, and so on). As to the communist theory, i agree not all are willing to accept it, because someone will always be like america, and be a false "liberator" and make a replica of the truman doctrine and claim it for their own. And Finally, as to whether or not mr. yahoo.com was the most fitting for the job, you may be right, but then how come a black B or C average student can't run his own company, while a white C student happens to be the president of the united states, it would seem as though the establishment of class by race is still around... but wait, aren't we all created equal?

[SpIkEyOaSs]

MrNEWBIE i like lots of yer posts but thiswas assenien, Bush has done his best as president and you cant yell at him for that, this is war and he is doing a good job its that Iraq is a tough place. get it straight Bush owns all, And i would die to see another democrat in office i hate the fucking jackass.

[ericg]

i think ur all fuccin low-life sluts

[voiceofreason]

I say not so,
Hypocracy has been spread in the respect that all people no matter what age, religion, gender, etc. have what I dub as the "influential voice" this voice comes from someone (usaually a parent) whom the certain individual feels very strongly for. Conciously or not one takes the "influential voice's" thoughts and ideas and adapts them to become their own. This is to say that one is a product of the environment that one surrounds themselves in. Hypocracy was started probably a long time ago, and was "passed down" and through this was widespread by the media (i.e. someone looks up to a movie star and that movie star is a hypocrite they then subconsiously obtain the hypocratic views of the individual, so does the person who looks up to that person, and so on). As to the communist theory, i agree not all are willing to accept it, because someone will always be like america, and be a false "liberator" and make a replica of the truman doctrine and claim it for their own. And Finally, as to whether or not mr. yahoo.com was the most fitting for the job, you may be right, but then how come a black B or C average student can't run his own company, while a white C student happens to be the president of the united states, it would seem as though the establishment of class by race is still around... but wait, aren't we all created equal?

Making generalized comments like this:

"black B or C average student can't run his own company, while a white C student happens to be the president of the united states"

could be construed as racist. Do you like when people lump you in a category and say everyone that is like you is X or Y?

George Bush, the younger, was placed in the job of President by his father, and some other Washington, DC elite. It didn't have anything to do with his ability...

[CptPlanet87]

Making generalized comments like this:

"black B or C average student can't run his own company, while a white C student happens to be the president of the united states"

could be construed as racist. Do you like when people lump you in a category and say everyone that is like you is X or Y?

George Bush, the younger, was placed in the job of President by his father, and some other Washington, DC elite. It didn't have anything to do with his ability...

First of all I wasn't generalizing, I was pointing out that AMERICA generalizes this certain type of race, furthermore, I apologize if this statment offended anyone, I am a large supporter of civil rights, and a member of the NAACP (yes they let in white guys too). Next, by saying "It didn't have anything to do with his ability..." you are agreeing with me, and the original thread starter that bush sucks at his job, as he was supposedly "placed" there by others. Hmmm... I remember a certain government called facism that had a supposed "placed leader" of it's own... where did that get them?

[CptPlanet87]

i think ur all fuccin low-life sluts

You're probably right, as a matter of fact I am a low-life slut, but I am a low-life slut with thought and ideals, willing to be shared. If you have any of them you would like to share or debate, feel free otherwise, flame us in the bit and tackle section.

[Sod]

good job planet, one of the few smart things i'vve heard since we've been over run with idiots.....oh yea......bush sucks :tongue:

[voiceofreason]

You're probably right, as a matter of fact I am a low-life slut, but I am a low-life slut with thought and ideals, willing to be shared. If you have any of them you would like to share or debate, feel free otherwise, flame us in the bit and tackle section.


Eric doesn't even know how to spell the curses...


Getting back to your earlier post.

First of all I wasn't generalizing, I was pointing out that AMERICA generalizes this certain type of race, furthermore, I apologize if this statment offended anyone, I am a large supporter of civil rights, and a member of the NAACP (yes they let in white guys too).

You were generalizing by saying people of certain races can't do X or Y. You are unknowingly perpetuating the stereotype.

Next, by saying "It didn't have anything to do with his ability..." you are agreeing with me, and the original thread starter that bush sucks at his job, as he was supposedly "placed" there by others.

He was placed! How does a doofus who's father had to bail him out of the business that he ran into the ground, alcoholic, who can't put a sentance together end up as president of the USA. He was put there.

Hmmm... I remember a certain government called facism that had a supposed "placed leader" of it's own... where did that get them?

Hey, I don't support it, it's just the way it was in this case...

[kamtwi]

^well i agree cause i don't think bush knows what he is doing in iraq and i don't like it. like i have said before though if i was old enough to vote i will would still vote for him cause he is pro-life

Just to clarify, what exactly is he pro-life about? Wait, he doesn't want to allow women a choice regarding their bodies, but if you birth that kid, raise him/her up right, he's more than willing to toss him/her on the Iraq conflagration to put it out. We won't even mention the people who live in the midst of this insanity.

[CptPlanet87]

Eric doesn't even know how to spell the curses...


Getting back to your earlier post.

First of all I wasn't generalizing, I was pointing out that AMERICA generalizes this certain type of race, furthermore, I apologize if this statment offended anyone, I am a large supporter of civil rights, and a member of the NAACP (yes they let in white guys too).

You were generalizing by saying people of certain races can't do X or Y. You are unknowingly perpetuating the stereotype.

Next, by saying "It didn't have anything to do with his ability..." you are agreeing with me, and the original thread starter that bush sucks at his job, as he was supposedly "placed" there by others.

He was placed! How does a doofus who's father had to bail him out of the business that he ran into the ground, alcoholic, who can't put a sentance together end up as president of the USA. He was put there.

Hmmm... I remember a certain government called facism that had a supposed "placed leader" of it's own... where did that get them?

Hey, I don't support it, it's just the way it was in this case...

Hey man, I am serious, I think that back, brown, yellow and blue people are just people, and a person can do anything it wants to. I think that it is the generalistic views of america that say that certain people can't do X or Y, as you put it. Secondly, (and I am not trying to be hostile in any way) if you d not support it... then why do you defend bush at all?

[voiceofreason]

Hey man, I am serious, I think that back, brown, yellow and blue people are just people, and a person can do anything it wants to. I think that it is the generalistic views of america that say that certain people can't do X or Y, as you put it. Secondly, (and I am not trying to be hostile in any way) if you d not support it... then why do you defend bush at all?

Defend Bush! I'd rather stick needles in my eyes. I can't wait to get rid of the dumb bastard. Don't know how you got that idea.

Bush is an anomally, he doesn't fit with natural selection, the point is he was placed. And that's just wrong...

[CptPlanet87]

:thumbsup:

[MaxPower]

First of all I wasn't generalizing, I was pointing out that AMERICA generalizes this certain type of race, furthermore, I apologize if this statment offended anyone, I am a large supporter of civil rights, and a member of the NAACP (yes they let in white guys too).

Yea, but white guys just get the coffe for meetings, and wipe tables, right?