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[kre8orofchaos]

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This is just unbelievable. There is no reason that i could see for the officer to stand and execute the man. There were riots in La over something similar. Greece was burning over something just the same as this, we need to do something.

I urge everyone to spread this around and let people know that this will not be tolerated.

[Epidemic]

Ok, I'm not all up for the death penalty but this guy deserves to fry. The general public depends on police officers to PROTECT them. Not to shoot them while unarmed and on the ground. This is ridiculous. If anyone finds anymore about this, like the officers name. Please post it.

[kre8orofchaos]

Now, i will give the benefit of the doubt to the officer as to if or not the man was armed, but he was already subdued. There is absolutely no reason to stand, draw your weapon, and from less than 2 feet fire into the suspect. not to mention the harm he could have done to his fellow officer.

Now i personally (due to my conspiracy side) have been "monitoring" what i believe to be the demeanor of the US government. I believe that they want to institute martial law due to the economy and the general state of things. I think that they really want a thing like what went down in Greece to happen. I think that the tensions of protests related to tons of things coupled with the outrage of whats happening in Gaza, is forcing local law enforcement agencies to be put on edge by fear tactics the government is using in lieu of the current crises. Now i'm not stupid enough to say that the cop was a martyr for any NWO agenda, but i believe that recently, departments have been scared with notions of "impending doom" disseminated from Homeland security and the beefing up of military forces within our borders.

[Epidemic]

 Quote: Originally Posted by kre8orofchaos

Now, i will give the benefit of the doubt to the officer as to if or not the man was armed, but he was already subdued. There is absolutely no reason to stand, draw your weapon, and from less than 2 feet fire into the suspect. not to mention the harm he could have done to his fellow officer.

I mean unarmed in the sense that he's not aiming a weapon at the officers or any bystanders. He was subdued and not dangerous. Also, from what I can see, the officers outnumbered the perpetrators (is that the right word?). Like I said, this is utterly ridiculous.

[kre8orofchaos]

Two Stories Emerge From BART Shooting | NBC Bay Area


A Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer this morning fatally shot an unarmed 22-year-old man on the platform of the Fruitvale Station in Oakland, but BART officials said the details of how the shooting occurred remain under investigation.

BART police were called to respond to a fight between two groups of men onboard a train traveling from San Francisco to the East Bay, spokesman Jim Allison said this afternoon during a news conference at BART headquarters in Oakland.


A BART police officer fatally shot an unarmed man on the platform of the Fruitvale Station in Oakland, but BART officials said the details of how the...

Questions Surround BART Shooting


Five officers had gathered at the Fruitvale BART Station platform when the train arrived shortly after 2 a.m., Allison said.

Officers worked to separate the men, who were dispersed inside the train and outside on the platform, according to Allison. BART police did not say how many people were involved in the fight or what spurred the confrontation.

At some point during the effort to bring the men under control, a BART police officer's gun fired one bullet, hitting 22-year-old Oscar Grant, according to Allison.

According to Mike Yost, supervising coroner investigator with the Alameda County coroner's bureau, Grant was pronounced dead at 9:13 a.m. at Highland Hospital.

Allison said the preliminary investigation indicates that Grant was one of the men involved in the altercation that brought police to the station, which was closed until 2:45 a.m., when it was reopened to finish extended New Year's Eve service until 3 a.m.

Three or four people on the platform were put in plastic handcuffs, called "flexi-cuffs," during the effort to bring the scuffle under control, Allison said. Grant was not in handcuffs when he was shot, and police said it is unclear if Grant had been cuffed at any point before the shooting occurred.

"A preliminary investigation indicates that Mr. Grant was not restrained when the officer's firearm was discharged," Allison said.

Grant was unarmed and no weapons were recovered at the scene.

"The early investigation shows that he was on the platform, not on the train, and he may have been on the ground," Allison said, explaining he does not know the exact position Grant was in when he was shot.

Two men were taken into custody for questioning following the shooting but were not arrested, Allison said. No arrests have been made since the shooting occurred, and the officer has been placed on administrative leave and tested for both alcohol and drugs as part of standard BART police policy.

The officer involved in the shooting has served nearly two years for BART police, Allison said. His name has not been released.

BART police officers complete the same training as other law enforcement officers. Officers are licensed to make arrests and carry batons and sometimes tasers in addition to firearms, Allison said.

BART police patrol bureau Cmdr. Travis Gibson said it is too early to determine the justification for why the officer took his weapon out of the gun's holster.

Gibson said BART police recovered two firearms, one at the Embarcadero Station and the other at the West Oakland Station, earlier in the night. The night was busy on the BART system with New Year's Eve revelers out in full force, Gibson said.

The last fatal officer-involved shooting at a BART station occurred in April 2001, when an officer at the Hayward Station shot a man who later died, according to Allison.

This morning's shooting remains under investigation, Allison said.

"BART continues to investigate the legal aspects of this incident, it is also investigating the internal protocol and procedures," Allison said. "In addition to that, the District Attorney's Office is conducting a separate, independent investigation."

Anyone with information about this morning's shooting is asked to call (877) 679-7000, extension 7040.

[53V3N]

Why exactly do you want to riot? I don't get that part. Also, what are we supposed to do exactly besides watch the case un-fold on tv?

This may sound crazy but perhaps we should wait for the investigation to be completed (and the verdict on the hearing that will likely take place) before we start rioting in the streets. Even then, the rioting part sounds pretty retarded.

[Is Incompletely]

What could the dude have done to deserve getting shot? That's fucked up. He's on the ground, there's like, 2 other officers restraining him. That's fucking bullshit man.

EDIT: I picked riot just 'cus it was there and I could.

[kre8orofchaos]

 Quote: Originally Posted by 53V3N

Why exactly do you want to riot? I don't get that part. Also, what are we supposed to do exactly besides watch the case un-fold on tv?

This may sound crazy but perhaps we should wait for the investigation to be completed (and the verdict on the hearing that will likely take place) before we start rioting in the streets. Even then, the rioting part sounds pretty retarded.

The evidence is pretty undeniable that the officer is guilty. And as i tried to explain in my second post (i believe it was my second) was the fear that the government has instilled in us and the police/military forces in our country. To me its an overall lack of leadership, but thats a whole other discussion reserved for fringe theory.

[53V3N]

 Quote: Originally Posted by kre8orofchaos

The evidence is pretty undeniable that the officer is guilty.

Ahhh... guilty until proven innocent, eh? Good luck with that.

[kre8orofchaos]

 Quote: Originally Posted by 53V3N

Ahhh... guilty until proven innocent, eh? Good luck with that.

There is video, of two officers on top of the unarmed individual, one gets up, draws his weapon and shoots and kills the man. Do you need more evidence than that?

Surely the officer had no other choice but to get off the restrained person and slay the man whilst on the ground and still under control of an additional officer in front of tons of people.

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Not to mention you dont accidentally get up, accidentally grab your weapon from the holster, accidentally put your finger on the trigger accidentally aim it at the suspect and accidentally pull the trigger.

[53V3N]

Yeah, fuck due process. Fuck the right to a trial. Let's just jump straight to the execution based on a cell phone vid.

[Epidemic]

 Quote: Originally Posted by 53V3N

Ahhh... guilty until proven innocent, eh? Good luck with that.

...video?

[kre8orofchaos]

 Quote: Originally Posted by Kre8orofchaos

To me its an overall lack of leadership, but thats a whole other discussion reserved for fringe theory.

 Quote: Originally Posted by 53V3N

Yeah, fuck due process. Fuck the right to a trial. Let's just jump straight to the execution based on a cell phone vid.

My wanting to riot which i clearly said is an entirely different discussion has nothing to do with if or not the officer should go to trial. I said that it was a whole other conversation as to why i would want to riot. So if your animosity is stemming from that particular part of my comments, feel free to open up another thread.

As for if or not the officer is guilty, im pretty sure that no man in his right sound mind could watch that tape and read the information provided from other news sources (one of which i posted in this thread), couple that with anything the officer can possibly offer and declare the officer innocent. If the officer is found innocent however, i do plan to riot about it, as it would be a gross failure of the justice system.

[53V3N]

 Quote: Originally Posted by kre8orofchaos

There is video, of two officers on top of the unarmed individual, one gets up, draws his weapon and shoots and kills the man. Do you need more evidence than that?

I prefer a fair trial by a jury of one's peers.

 Quote: Originally Posted by kre8orofchaos

I said i love my military and my country, bill of rights and constitution...

You might want to peruse The Bill of Rights.

[kre8orofchaos]

Okay there slick, at what point did i say "he should not go to trial"? What are you not understanding about what im typing? Are you just hopping on the latest "hate Kre8or" bandwagon and just trying to seem like you cant read, or is that all by accident?

Regardless of the result of the trial that the man will or will not get... he's guilty. If i were in the jury, i would convict him.

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To what degree he is guilty is a whole other debate as well and can only be found through discovery at trial.