Your Vote Does Not Matter

[Orion73]

Every where you look there are signs saying "Your Vote Counts" or something to that effect. Well it doesn't.

I have rounded up on all numbers to when the electoral college, and down on the numbers to win the popular vote.


I have also assumed that everyone that the US census counted has voted.


To win the electoral college you need 270 "points"

To win the popular vote you need 153.5 million votes.


You need to win 12 states to get the "points" required to win.


CA-55
FL-27
NY-31
MA-12
MI-17
IL-21
OH-20
PA-21
NC-15
VA-13
TX-34
RI-4

The votes needed to win the "points" from these states is roughly 85.5 million votes.
Sounds like a lot right?

WRONG

85.5 million is 68 million less then that required to win the popular vote.


With the electoral college if every single people voted against President A exept the 85.5 million they would still LOSE. Thats 215.5 MILLION wasted votes.


Still think your vote matters???

[UberSkippy]

1. The presidential election of 2000 perfectly seared this into the brains of every semi-literate adult in the country.

2. You make a lot of assumptions in your little analysis that are known to be FALSE.

3. Trying to dissuade people from voting because you don't happen to like the system is childish and stupid. Knock it the fuck off.

4. Yes, some states carry much higher totals in their electoral votes. But you seem to forget that your entire point is thrown completely off if even ONE of those states happens to vote the other way. You assume that the people in those states will all vote the same way leaving the rest of the country without a voice.

5. To top off how fucked up your math is, in those higher vote count states, you don't need 85 million votes. You generally win the electoral votes of an entire state based on a simple majority vote of that state. So in reality you could win with slightly more than half of the 85 million votes. You can't even get your own point right and that's sad.

If you don't like the system lobby for change. Trying to get people to not cast a vote is asinine. And that is clearly your objective with your highly inflammatory prose, assumptions and you're amazing ability to leap to conclusions.

[DizzyOwnzj00]

I agree with you somewhat. Especially in my case being that I live in Maryland, which has never gone republican in the history of the U.S. Even if I voted for McCain, he definitely wouldn't get the electoral college votes for my state anyways.

But seriously, I hate to sound cliche here but people have fought and died for our right to vote, I'm not going to sit back and not vote just because my vote "doesn't matter."

[RageAgainst-(Double Caged)]

Originally Posted by UberSkippy

If you don't like the system lobby for change.

That won't happen unless enough people demand it, which won't happen unless they start thinking about it, which won't happen because the entertainment society makes them intellectually lazy.

[Bathory]

Originally Posted by UberSkippy

3. Trying to dissuade people from voting because you don't happen to like the system is childish and stupid. Knock it the fuck off.



If you don't like the system lobby for change. Trying to get people to not cast a vote is asinine. And that is clearly your objective with your highly inflammatory prose, assumptions and you're amazing ability to leap to conclusions.

Exactly. This is pretty much what I was going to say.

[Orion73]

Originally Posted by UberSkippy

1. The presidential election of 2000 perfectly seared this into the brains of every semi-literate adult in the country.

2. You make a lot of assumptions in your little analysis that are known to be FALSE.

3. Trying to dissuade people from voting because you don't happen to like the system is childish and stupid. Knock it the fuck off.

4. Yes, some states carry much higher totals in their electoral votes. But you seem to forget that your entire point is thrown completely off if even ONE of those states happens to vote the other way. You assume that the people in those states will all vote the same way leaving the rest of the country without a voice.

5. To top off how fucked up your math is, in those higher vote count states, you don't need 85 million votes. You generally win the electoral votes of an entire state based on a simple majority vote of that state. So in reality you could win with slightly more than half of the 85 million votes. You can't even get your own point right and that's sad.

If you don't like the system lobby for change. Trying to get people to not cast a vote is asinine. And that is clearly your objective with your highly inflammatory prose, assumptions and you're amazing ability to leap to conclusions.

What assumptions did I make that were false?

I know that I assumed that the states I listed voted for one person I'm just showing how few states are needed to win in the current system. If one of the states votes different another could take their place.

Just so you know dip shit the 85.5 million is 50% I know how a majority system works. check facts before you assume they are wrong.

Why was this moved into fringe? If something is supported by FACTS its not fringe.

[UberSkippy]

Originally Posted by Orion73

What assumptions did I make that were false?

I know that I assumed that the states I listed voted for one person I'm just showing how few states are needed to win in the current system. If one of the states votes different another could take their place.

Just so you know dip shit the 85.5 million is 50% I know how a majority system works. check facts before you assume they are wrong.

Why was this moved into fringe? If something is supported by FACTS its not fringe.

It was moved to fringe because it's not an issue. It's one person's attempt to get others to not vote.

What assumptions did you get wrong? That everyone in the US census votes. There are 305 million people give or take. Of them, maybe 200 million are eligible to vote. High voter turn out is generally measured in the mid 60% range. Call it 70%. That was the first major assumption you made that was clearly wrong. But since it was the foundation of your entire argument it tends to nullify anything else you say.

You see, an argument based on a fallacy, or bad assumptions is a bad argument.

[BRiT]

It was moved to Fringe since it's not an issue and if anything it's more a conspiracy theory if anything other than some crackpot theory based on wrong assumptions.

[RetArt]

Originally Posted by RageAgainst

That won't happen unless enough people demand it, which won't happen unless they start thinking about it, which won't happen because the entertainment society makes them intellectually lazy.

You can say that again Noa.. I mean Rage.

[Orion73]

Originally Posted by UberSkippy

It was moved to fringe because it's not an issue. It's one person's attempt to get others to not vote.

What assumptions did you get wrong? That everyone in the US census votes. There are 305 million people give or take. Of them, maybe 200 million are eligible to vote. High voter turn out is generally measured in the mid 60% range. Call it 70%. That was the first major assumption you made that was clearly wrong. But since it was the foundation of your entire argument it tends to nullify anything else you say.

You see, an argument based on a fallacy, or bad assumptions is a bad argument.

I made the assumption that everyone voted because it made things easier if you want to change it then times all my figures by 60 or 70 %

I'm not trying to get everyone not to vote-this country is founded on voting.
I'm trying to point out that our current system is broken. Yes your vote doesn't matter, but am I still going to vote? YES I NEVER said not to vote just that one vote does not matter.

conspiracy theory: n.
A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.

I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy theory about the elections like they just through away your ballot. I'm saying the facts of the electoral college.

They are not wrong assumptions (the census counts people over the age of 18) and assuming that everyone votes is not incorrect-if I assumed that 70% voted in one but everyone voted in another THEN I would be making wrong assuptions.

Is it chily in here ir is it your IQ?

[rub1out]

Originally Posted by Orion73

Is it chily in here ir is it your IQ?

/me smells bannage in the air.

[UberSkippy]

Originally Posted by Orion73

I made the assumption that everyone voted because it made things easier if you want to change it then times all my figures by 60 or 70 %

Solid arguments should not be based on "easier"

Originally Posted by Orion73

I'm not trying to get everyone not to vote-this country is founded on voting.

Your alarmist verbiage and you simplified scare tactics beg to differ.

Originally Posted by Orion73

I'm trying to point out that our current system is broken. Yes your vote doesn't matter, but am I still going to vote? YES I NEVER said not to vote just that one vote does not matter.

Somehow I get the feeling that putting money on you not being old enough to vote is a safe bet. And you're right, you didn't have to say "Don't vote" that message is quite clear in your writing style.

Originally Posted by Orion73

conspiracy theory: n.
A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.

I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy theory about the elections like they just through away your ballot. I'm saying the facts of the electoral college.

And I'm not the person that called in a conspiracy theory.

Originally Posted by Orion73

They are not wrong assumptions (the census counts people over the age of 18) and assuming that everyone votes is not incorrect-if I assumed that 70% voted in one but everyone voted in another THEN I would be making wrong assuptions.

It's already been quite clearly pointed out in a number of places that your argument is based on assumptions that are PATENTLY wrong.

Originally Posted by Orion73

Is it chily in here ir is it your IQ?

If you want to play that game I'd suggest you try B&T. And maybe check your spelling. Chilly has two l's and "ir" isn't a word.