Jury sees tape of sole survivor in Idaho slayings

[Jude09]

BOISE, Idaho - Jurors on Tuesday watched a police interview of an 8-year-old girl that was videotaped soon after she was rescued from a convicted pedophile who she said raped her and forced her to watch him torture, molest and kill her brother.


Appearing composed and wrapped in a quilt decorated with teddy bears, Shasta Groene described how she and her 9-year-old brother, Dylan, were raped and forced to perform sex acts together by Joseph Edward Duncan III, whom she called "Jet."

The federal jury is to decide whether Duncan should be executed. He has pleaded guilty to 10 federal counts involving the kidnapping and torture of the children and the slaying of Dylan at a remote campsite in western Montana. He also faces the death penalty in a separate state case in which he pleaded guilty to murdering the siblings' family.

While it is The Associated Press' policy not to identify alleged victims of sexual assault in most cases, the search for Shasta and her brother was so heavily publicized that their names are widely known.

The 2005 interview presented in court was taped at the Kootenai Medical Center, where Shasta Groene, then 8, was being treated shortly after she was spotted with Duncan and rescued at a restaurant in Coeur d'Alene.

On one occasion, she recounted, Duncan took Dylan into an old shack, made him stand on a bench, wrapped wire around his neck, kicked a bench out from under his legs and masturbated as the boy nearly choked to death.

"Then Jet took him down and said, 'Wake up, wake up, wake up,'" Shasta recounted, her voice steady.

Her brother screamed when he woke up because he thought he had been in heaven, she told investigators.

The children were abducted from their home in May 2005 after Duncan fatally bludgeoned their mother, Brenda Groene, their 13-year-old brother, Slade, and the mother's fiance, Mark McKenzie.

Duncan, of Tacoma, Wash., is acting as his own attorney. He has a long string of arrests and convictions for crimes ranging from car theft to rape and molestation. He is suspected in the slayings of two half-sisters from Seattle in 1996 and is charged with killing a young boy in Riverside County, Calif., in 1997.






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So what is your opinion?
The death penalty or prison?

[UberSkippy]

There's so much more to that story.

What do I say? Death Penalty. End of discussion. The crimes committed are so heinous, so cold and so brutal that his continued existence on this planet is a threat to anyone and everyone near him.

He made the two kids WATCH as he slaughtered their family. Then he brutally raped both of them, recorded the rapes and then made them watch the videos. Finally, he made the little girl watch as he shot her brother in the head and then raped her.

All of these are things he's admitted guilt too.

Based on his criminal history the simple fact that he wasn't already in prison is a sad shame. The legal system let this little girl down by letting him out.

[Kiwi]

Wow. Poor kid... poor doesnt even begins to cover it.

[Jude09]

Finally, he made the little girl watch as he shot her brother in the head and then raped her.

He gut shot the boy first and then why he was bleeding to death and making the girl watch then he shot him in the head.

[Farceur]

Incarcerate him away from everyone forever. He deserves the maximum punishment under the law.

[DirtyBird]

There's so much more to that story.

What do I say? Death Penalty. End of discussion. The crimes committed are so heinous, so cold and so brutal that his continued existence on this planet is a threat to anyone and everyone near him.

I agree with you entirely, except that execution is too good for this piece of shit. I've always thought life in prison would be far worse than death row. But given the nature of the system, he'll probably end up counting the days on the wall for 10-20 years before he finally sees Satan's trident poking at his asshole.

People that don't respect other's rights have no right to exist within that society, which shall be judged by its constituents. This nonsense about beind denied inalienable rights is irrelevant. Even if they are priveleges bestowed on us by society (Which in reality, they are) what difference does it make? Does that mean the man deserves to live and coexist with us? He's a threat to others, therefore he doesn't deserve to exist, at least not within the same system as everyone else.

[HrlyQnn]

The death penalty sounds about right and since he's admitted guilt, the sooner the better.

Is it a trend for serial killers to defend themselves?

[Cathedral]

death penalty is the least of what that sick mofo deserves. he deserves torture, cruel and unsual punishment. Today's death penalties are far to quick and comparitively easy for the crimes he has commited against this little girl and her deceased family.

[Avidity]

I read this and wonder why people oppose the death penalty if not to only reserve it for the most twisted of fucks like this man.

[UberSkippy]

I read this and wonder why people oppose the death penalty if not to only reserve it for the most twisted of fucks like this man.

Because of what Rook just said. I may argue for the death penalty in this case but I do so knowing that I'm not arguing for justice. I'm arguing for vengeance.

The reason people oppose the death penalty is that they're willing to look logically at it and see that it doesn't work and serves no real purpose in the world of "justice" It's ineffective as a crime deterrent and useless as a rehabilitation tool and pointless as a punishment.

But this fuck deserves to die.

[reFresh]

Completely agreed.

I would do terrible things to this man. Horrible, ghastly, unspeakable things. I'd probably enjoy it, too. I would receive great satisfaction watching him suffer. Go payback.

But once he has bled to death on the floor, I wouldn't feel like I had done the girl any justice. There is no logical justice that can be sought, no real way for him, or anyone, to ever return all the damage he's tatooed on her. Nobody will bring her brother back, and nothing can wipe away the haunting echoing screams that she will most likely hear in her nightmares for the rest of her life. This girl is scarred. She will be lucky to not have severe post-traumatic disorders.

As I said, there is nothing you can do to this man that will bring him to "justice". You can throw him in jail where he will get free food and boarding for the rest of his days. Sure, he'll get fucked in the ass a couple of times, but judging from the way he gets off, he might just enjoy it.

You can also fry him, inject him, or gas him. With that being said, he will undergo about 1-2 minutes of terrible pain (depending on the method of execution) and then he will be dead. That isn't justice. You're killing a sick motherfucker, sure, but in doing so you become an executioner, a killer.

This is why I'm religious. I believe that there is nothing we, as human beings, can do to this demented soul. But I'm pretty sure the big guy has some fun things He can make him do.

[reFresh]

Prison.

Nobody should be killed in the name of justice, because that renders it not justice, but revenge.

I welcome the fire.

[Cathedral]

Prison.

Nobody should be killed in the name of justice, because that renders it not justice, but revenge.

I welcome the fire.

what's wrong with revenge, when it's wrath is turned upon the man that commited these terrible acts. That little girl will never have a normal life, she will always be haunted by this man's shadow, alive or dead.

[dustinzgirl]

Fry his fucking ass.

Twice.

Then piss on the ashes.